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Wednesday, July 9, 2008
Okay here is the olive branch
I have had a private conversation with Candy. I asked her and she agreed to reciprocate the privacy of that conversation. I have decided that there will be a change to my rules. I have a family, and this is what I based this decision on. I have decide that I will not allow this forum to be used to disperse personal information about Candy. Now before you all fall to the floor let me clarify what I mean. I don't want to facilitate the use of Candy's address or children's name. I think the request and the change to protect her children is an easy one for everyone to understand. The town they live in is a small one. I am sure everyone knows everyone. I just don't want there to be more of a stigma applied to their children in that town. The kids have to endure plenty without my site creating more turmoil in their lives. I use the same reasoning to apply to Candy's physical address. I know that she has done the same to Elena, but I think she realizes that it can come back ten fold to her when she participates in the rough stuff. I do not wish harm upon Candy or her family, and I have stated this many times. I don't hate Candy. I do disagree with Candy, and I am pretty much against everything she stands for, but I can not contribute to people harassing the kids at her home (not saying this is happening, but the potential is there). I could not live with myself if something happened due to information from this website. Candy brings all of this entirely upon herself, but I know that opening this personal information is wrong, and I guess I should have come to this realization earlier, but I too got caught up in the momentum of this blog. I hope all of you agree, and I want to ensure you that my attitude about Candy has not changed. I will still continue to defend the normal people, and I will still continue to disagree with Candy unless there is some 180 degree change in her, which I don't see as possible. Once again I hope you all understand, and I hope you will help me in this manner. Thank you again,
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If everyone can give me until tommorrow evening I will give a retort to Candy's claims. I am incredibly swamped at work and I have been working twelve hour days. It all lightens up today, and will allow me to have more time to focus on this blog. Just give me one more day, and I will give you a good post. Please remember this is done out of sympathy for the children and not out of sympathy for Candy.
I think it is the right thing to do as well, the kids are innocent and never asked for any of this, they don't blog on Candy's blog etc. and they don't need to be harassed or put into a dangerous situation. We can easily discuss where we differ with Candy without having to give out such personal info as where she lives and the names of her kids.. those things have nothing to do with our disagreement with her anyway.
I received your message and OK. I am done with the "Candyisms" BTW, Candy was wrong with her description. The location, tract thing, and her giving me a card did not happen. I am just a friendly fellow shopper at Walmart with 2 children wearing Catholic school uniforms who recognized Candy from her etched pictures. I struck up a conversation while waitng and that was it. I have seen them thereafter and nod the head gesture. I can now go back to Super Target. (that was sarcastic) We will be on the East coast at my parents until mid August with minimal internet service. (dial up)
As long as you're not "backing down," CIC. ;)
I totally agree with all of this..I was uncomfortable with how much personal identifying information was being shared about her.
I agree. The giving out of personal information (like the address, the kids' names, etc...) made me uncomfortable. We have enough disagreement with Candy.
A comment on Candy's cult site:
You know what, I recall a while back, one of the anti-candy site people saying something along the lines of "Look, just stop speaking out against the Catholic Church, and we wont bother you anymore." or something like that. That has been BUGGING me to no end because I KNEW I had heard that before and I couldn't place it! Then I remembered!!
"Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. And beholding the man which was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it.
But when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves, Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it. But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name. And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding nothing how they might punish them, because of the people: for all men glorified God for that which was done." Acts 4:13-21
Wow, pretty much word for word! We don't want the Truth preached, it might draw people away from RELIGION! Well, we can't really say anything AGAINST them, so let's just try to threaten and intimidate them into silence!! But what Peter and John knew, and what Christians know, is God is BIGGER than ANY religious terrorist, and as His servants we have nothing to fear from them :o) PRAISE GOD!!
Oh for heaven's sake, are ALL the Candy followers dense or what? The "truth" to be preached is EXACTLY what the Catholics want - not a bunch of fantastical rumors and lies dreamed up by a handful of fundamentalist Baptists who hate Catholics. Geez. (And please don't compare Candy to St. John and St. Peter. That is just sickening.)
July 9, 2008 6:19 AM
yeah i saw that too.....and i agree with you ...spread the actual TRUTH all you want...spread the actual GOSPEL all you want ..just realize that Jack Chick and Jesus is Lord are NOT the TRUTH or the GOSPEL...and neither is the "Church of Candy"....
Well said, maggii
I think not having the children's names and address are a wise decision. Candy does need to realize though that her address is public information that anyone can find. She can not blame that your blog. Also, if she lives in a small town, everyone knows everyone and they knew where she lived before this. Giving out the kids names....well, there is no reasoning on that. That is wrong. Children are innocent and don't get to request their parents before they are born.
That sounds good to me. I'd much rather tackle her actual lies, falsities, and fabrications than worry about what park she goes to.
Sounds like a plan. I'm all for protecting anyone's children, and let's face it, hers are going to have enough burdens as it is.
Well Mattie,
(You don't mind me calling you Mattie do you?)
Well Mattie,
I like it.
Shame it all fell into your lap, and you won't see her post anything about her personal responsibilities on the matter), but it definitely shows integrity on your part.
The FBI didn't show up did they? (Ouch, I just cracked a rib laughing.)
I see a lot of comments over there saying that the reason she is under fire...is because she's really doing God's work ..she MUST be 'on the right path" etc etc...She's fighting against the 'devil'...that us Catholic don't like seeing or hearing the TRUTH etc etc....
well...did it ever occur to them that we could point right back at many of them and say the same...the reason they attack the Church and Catholics is because THEY don't want to hear the 'truth'... maybe we are the ones fighting against the 'devil"? ....I mean really why do they talk so much about how evil the Catholic Church is...why are they so intent on speaking out against it every chance they get...why do they constantly feel the need to attack Catholics and our Church???
No one has a right to question or doubt anyone else's faith. No One!
I find that usually when people do such things it stems from their own insecurities. Sort of along the lines of narcissism .Trying to make others look bad or examine their motives in order to make yourself look and/or feel good, and prevent you from having to examine your own motives.
I've seen it a lot in these circles of supposed Christian women who attack differing beliefs. Attacking what is a threat, and I firmly believe the Catholic Church is a threat to these so called Christians. Otherwise, why would they care? Theirs is not the only way, and by acting as though it is, they place themselves above others, in their own minds, at least.
They won't stop and they'll cheer each other on because it is so much better than truly examining themselves and their completely non Christian behavior.
I've heard many Christians say "they'll know us by our love". Unfortunately, too many have a very warped view of what love is and what it means. I don't see love, or Christianity, in the behaviors of people who attack others who believe differently than they do.
In the end, it will be between them and their God. I just wish, in some cases, I could be a fly on a cloud in the corner as they meet that God and explain themselves.
exactly Tia....well said....
If you really feel you have the truth then yes...share it with me...but if you have to denigrate me or my beliefs in order to 'share' ..well..i'm not going to take you seriously....
if you want to reach me as a Catholic...well gosh you might not want to come at me with the Church being a cult or that I'm 'lost'....and a Chick Tract is definately not the way to witnees to me...all you've done is turn me 'off' from whatever it is you are trying to 'share' ..and if anything made me MORE steadfast in my beliefs...
as for the idea that I and others like me must be envious or jealous..please...of what do I have to be jealous?? I don't envy other peoples lives...I know mine is blessed and am content..I do look up to others at times and do feel I have room to grow and so yes I do strive to be 'like' some women I admire...at one time I even wnated to be more like Candy...a good wife and mother...a good homemaker...a good daughter of Christ.....but....no longer....I do not wish to be like someone who has to step on the beliefs of others to get up on her pedastal of Christiandom...
In the end, it will be between them and their God. I just wish, in some cases, I could be a fly on a cloud in the corner as they meet that God and explain themselves.
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yea...sometimes I feel a little sad for some of them..I have a feeling some are in for a rude awakening....
Tia
You are right we should not question anyone else's faith. Who are we to judge?
In your own words, "I've seen it a lot in these circles of supposed Christian women who attack differing beliefs."
Is that not questioning their faith? Are the VTC ladies or other people who have stated that they are of another religion on this site not done the same thing against Candy? She is constantly being slammed for her faith as well as those who believe as she does. This tit for tat, he said she said whole thing is crap.
Remember the great commission of Christ, and that is to share the Gospel. Not everyone has the tact to do so in a loving way. We are flawed, that is why we have a Savior to begin with.
God knows who we are. He says we will be known by our fruits.
Maggii
I agree with you. I truly believe to reach people you have to meet them where they are at. If you are attacking their person and the belief system from the get go-unfortunately you've lost them. That goes for EVERYBODY.
I have an honest question. Do Catholics believe that non denominational Christians are wrong in their beliefs? Do Catholics believe they need to share the Gospel?
Andi, yeah, I did judge. But, I don't now and never have done it in the name of Christianity. I don't claim to be a perfect Christian while putting down other Christians.
I have my own faults, but saying I'm one thing and doing another is not one of them.
I use the term "supposed Christian" because there is nothing in their behavior that says Christian to me, even though they claim that is what they are. I am not questioning their faith, only their behavior.
That is very different than saying a certain belief system is wrong, or because one had a child before marriage they are not really Christian, and any number of other things that have said about any number of people and their choices and their beliefs.
Good call, CIC. I think we all agree that the children are to be pitited, and not subjected to any scrutiny themslves.
As for Candy and her minions, I don't understand the logic of, "They're attacking us, so we must be right, b/c they clearly fear the truth!" Couldn't the Catholics be saying the same thing?
Fundamentally, I just do not understand the issue: we all believe that there is one God, and one son, who died for our sins. So we have different ways of worshipping. Is it really worth an on-line holy war?
I have an honest question. Do Catholics believe that non denominational Christians are wrong in their beliefs? Do Catholics believe they need to share the Gospel?
I can't answer for all Catholics, but as for myself, I do not believe that non-denominational Christians are wrong in their beliefs. Honestly, and this probably blasphemy, I don't belive that Muslims, Budhists, or [insert religion here] are wrong in their beliefs. As I said in my previous post, I believe that there is one God, but many ways to worship him. I don't believe that God is cruel enough to have only one "right" religion. I believe it is far better to be a good Budhist than a bad Catholic/Methodist/Baptist.
I have my religion and you have yours--and every religion says that it's the "right" one. Won't we all feel stupid if we die and find out that the Budhists were "right" all along?
Tia - I think you are great and appreciate your posts. I know I am not the only that feels that way either.
On to crazy people (in my opinion). I found this comment on one of Candy's recent posts. None of them are going to give up the fight, but expect all of us to or do it on their terms.
Hi Candy,
Wow, this whole situations is ....GREAT! I was going to say shocking and sad and that I am sorry for you. But I am not. My friend, my Sister in Christ(I consider you that because we both serve the Risen Lord), you must be seriously pissing off the devil. Good JOB, way to go and PRAISE THE GOOD LORD!
NO ONE has the right to tell Candy that they will "leave her alone" if she will just stop posting on a certain topic. That is called harassment and blackmail. Would a feminist blogger put up with that? A PETA blogger, anyone else that blogs about their beliefs. If you don't like it go somewhere else.
But you know that there is a reason you keep coming back, a calling to your soul.
Candy, I think you are in the midst of the battle. Don't become weary Sister. You are doing good. You are helping many. THAT IS WHY YOU ARE UNDER ATTACK. Keep going. You are in our prayers.
Many Blessings
Ace
Ace | 07.09.08 - 8:43 am | #
Amanda, have you ever seen that comic where someone is calling someone else to dinner or bed or something, and the one being called is in front of the computer, typing wildly. His response to being called is "I'll be there in a minutes, someone on the Internet is wrong!"
I find that the sentiment behind that comic is very much the sentiment behind this on line holy war, as you described it.
I also agree with you. It is not the core beliefs that differ among Christians. It is practice that divides. Being a Christian is being a follower of Christ. By that, one believes that Christ was divine and he died on the cross for your sins. Right? Beyond that, what does any of the rest of it matter?
I have an honest question. Do Catholics believe that non denominational Christians are wrong in their beliefs? Do Catholics believe they need to share the Gospel?
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The Church's stance is that while non Catholic Christians have truth, they do not have the fullness of the truth. They are not fully united with Christ's Church. But we do believe salavation is possible for non- Catholic Christians...
For me it's not so much a matter of YOU are WRONG if you don't believe what WE believe...for me it's more a matter of, I believe WE are RIGHT,we have the fullness of Truth...the WHOLE truth...but that doesn't automatically make YOU 'wrong'... I reserve the possiblity that YOU could be RIGHT too. For me I KNOW in MY heart that I am on THE right path...I don't feel any other path would be THE right path, for sure...so I take the one I KNOW is right...the other path MIGHT take me to the same place, so I wont tell you you are on the WRONG path if you choose to take that one...but I will share my belief that THIS path I am on definately leads us to God...
and yes Catholics feel we need to share the Gospel..it's frustrates me to see so many so called 'i was raised catholic" or "I used to be catholic' but never heard the Gospel bit....that is soooo untrue...if they were truly raised Catholic or truly WERE Catholic ..they would know they heard the Gospel every week at Church..and CCD..and hopefully they also heard it or read it at home...if they didn't hear it or experience it in at least ONE of these situations then I'd say they really weren't "raised" Catholic nor WERE they Catholic in the true sense...yes they or their family may have professed to BE Catholic....but they didn't 'live" it...there is a BIG difference there...any one can say I AM Christian...but unless one actively LIVES it or at least tries to...they truly are not...
I was raised Catholic, for a time, and I went to Catholic private schools. I heard the gospel message. God just did not speak to MY heart to follow that path. As for Christian, the key is to follow Jesus and accept the gift of Salvation through Him alone. The other religions of the world, if they don't profess the Holiness of Christ, can't be seen as righteous to a Christian.
John 14:6 KJV
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6 NAB
6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
I've wondered, the last couple of days in particular especially, if Candy and the C-Heads actually realize they may be promoting the Catholic church instead of leading people away from it? I was born and raised Protestant, and I have to admit since reading Candy and her cronies' diatribes, I'm really curious about the Catholic church and considering converting...if she/they are so convinced it's wrong, from what I've seen of them and their lives, it may indeed be the way to go. I also wonder about their usefulness as ambassadors of the Christian faith. If I were not already a Christian, after reading the Candy blog, I would want nothing to do with the Christian faith, quite honestly. It does just make one wonder--are they really the ones with the nagging little doubts and the twinge of jealousy here? Hmm...food for thought.
maggii- I think you answered andi's question so well, I couldn't have done it any better. I will add that I think some non-denominational Christians are wrong in their beliefs, like those who believe God is going to send Catholics straight to hell. That is so absurd, I can't even wrap my brain around it. We have seen at this blog that Christians vary greatly in their behavior and their beliefs, and I'm also talking about Catholics (who, yes, are Christian).
Like maggii said, there is a huge difference between someone who is a Catholic and someone who is a Catholic and lives their Catholic faith. And by the same token, there is a huge difference between someone who is a Christian in name only and someone who lives a Christian life. There are many who believe in Jesus Christ and therefore refer to themselves as Christian, but live a life that meets today's very low standards. Like Candy, you can read your bible all you want, memorize it even, fill your head with anti-Catholic propoganda and spread it around like a bad virus, and that does not make you a good Christian armed with the truth. There have been many non-Catholic Christians commenting on this blog that see Candy's behavior for what it truly is. Those that support Candy and encourage her to continue on with her "spreading of the truth" are as bad as she is, IMHO.
I wonder what God will say in the end- will He send me to hell for truly believing His son founded my church, taking what His son said literally, being sorry for my sins and confessing them to a priest, going to Mass to receive the Eucharist in an effort to be as close to Jesus as I possibly can, and being condemned for my beliefs but persevering anyway? I told Candy once that I was willing to risk my salvation on this, and she said she "couldn't believe my audacity." I've often wondered if she has ever given any thought to what might happen to her if she is wrong. It's one thing to live what you believe; it's quite another to go around judging and spreading lies to make yourself appear "right" to an audience. "I love Catholics."- That is a bold-faced lie that helps Candy justify her insulting, insensitive words to her readers. I think Candy should be worrying, and I think she needs to accept some lessons learned, but her readers are everything to hinder her in that process. When she apologized a couple days ago, I embraced that because I am a forgiving person, and because I have faith in people I watched for the ugly articles and sidebar links to disappear. Stupid me- gosh, I was in a bad mood all day yesterday for being so dumb.
Sorry to go on and on- as I was doing my morning chores, I had a lot of thoughts swirling around in my head and just needed to get it out.
Kaira, you snuck in while I was typing my long-winded post. LOL You said, "As for Christian, the key is to follow Jesus and accept the gift of Salvation through Him alone. The other religions of the world, if they don't profess the Holiness of Christ, can't be seen as righteous to a Christian." I totally agree with you. I think where I get fed up is the Christians that say, "All you have to do to go to heaven is say, 'I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior,'" and then it's a done deal. I think that is total hogwash. Like you said, you have to follow Christ, and that is an ongoing process until the day you die. Yes, we make mistakes, and the Lord still loves us and will still grant us eternal life because of Jesus' sacrifice, but we have to constantly be living for Him and trying to seek His will and follow it in our lives.
Julie,
Please do not think that I am calling you out. I have no reservations about the fact that Candy is paranoid. I did not do this to say "people like Julie", because to be honest your insight has been truly valuable. I don't think you are a stalker, and I don't think you wish any harm to them as well. I do think though the potential of someone who is harmful or may have a grudge against Candy could use this information to harass them. That is really it.
angie,
EXACTLY, salvation is not, "I believe in Jesus, not let me get back to living for myself". Confessing Christians are representatives of Christ himself. It is a daily effort to follow Him.
I see a lot of comments over there saying that the reason she is under fire...is because she's really doing God's work ..she MUST be 'on the right path" etc etc...She's fighting against the 'devil'...that us Catholic don't like seeing or hearing the TRUTH etc etc....
A wise old man once said to me "some people are indeed persecuted because they are Christians. However, by far the majority are persecuted because they are morons."
Hey CIACAIG,
I also, agree with with your new terms. Since I posted the children's names, I'll apologise publicly for that error in judgement. They are not responsible for the misguided beliefs of their parents. I especially agree with your point about they'll have enough to deal with in their small town as it is.
I do think fear of being stalked is ridiculous. Only one poster here has admitted to living in her town. I highly doubt any other readers of this blog live within 100 or miles of her. I mean really...who thinks Erik and Candy are important enough to go out of their way for to stalk them and the children? More of her pitiful paranoia.
I'll also add that who at this blog, even if they lived next door, would stalk them? Her claims are just crazy!
I posted on Candy's site, and I'll post here, as well. Then, I'm done with all of this childish stuff.
Are you people kidding me? I have never in all my life seen such bitterness and hatred come out of anyone. In the name of what? Defending religion. I think you're all crazy!
This is an entire website being run by what I'm assuming is an adult. It's sole purpose is to bash and run down another person. What are you, 12?
I can't believe I'm here, but since I am I have a question. Do any of you not have anything more productive to do than sit on the computer all day and ruin another person?
You all are a scary bunch! I'm leaving now and won't return here (or there) because I'm afraid of how this might turn out.
Oh, and let it be known that I'm a Christian and I'm appalled by the behavior that goes on here. I'm not stupid, unintelligent, blinded, or any of the other things you all have said of people who have read her blog. I think one rebuttal to something you disagree with would suffice. An entire website devoted to name calling and hatred is just silly. I'll be praying that God would heal your bitterness.
Oh, and one more thing. For any of you who may know Candy in real life. If you don't like her, fine. Don't read her blog, and don't be around her. Hmm... problem solved. If you are unable to do that, you may want to consider professional help.
It is a daily effort to be a good person regardles. You have to remember that people such as myself don't have salvation on their mind, and thus it becomes incumbent upon us to be a good person without any consequences of being bad. I don't have the fear of God to keep me in line, I don't have the hope of salvation, and I don't have the guilt of religion to keep me in check. This is all done by me, and only me. Talk about a difficult road. You always have to act like your mother is watching.
This is just because I am curious - what do the majority of you people blogging here consider a small town - population wise? Thanks.
Trish,
You said you won't be coming back, so I am not sure you will see this but I'm going to post it anyways.
You see what is going on here name calling and a waste of time, and you came to defend Candy. Right?
Well, that is how the Catholics see Candy is doing. She calls the Catholic religion all kinds of names, after being corrected on her mistruths she continues to spread lies, and we are only defending our faith. Yet we are wrong?
I want to ask the Candy followers an honest question now - because I know you are reading. Curiousity is a crazy thing! And I you want you to really think about this:
Why would you want to be a part of a religion or support a religion that believes in bashing people for their faith and their beliefs that come from the Bible? To tell someone they are the Whore of Babylon? That's pretty intense. To tell someone they are going to hell? Wow.
My faith is Catholic. I am PROUD that we lead by example instead of condeming people and telling them they are wrong. I can honestly say my Church has NEVER put down ANY religon that I have witnessed. Ever. We spend our time doing positive things. And yes, DEFENDING our religion is a positive thing.
Would you stand by and let someone call your kid a name? laugh at them? Degrade them? Yet, there you are, all praising Candy and supporting her while she tries to bully folks into seeing things HER way.
News flash - you'll get more bees with honey than vinegar :)
Have a blessed day!
I am with you 100%, and I take full responsiblity for the oversight, and no one else. I could have had terms and I could have said something when it was done. I allowed it all out of forgetting about the kids. When I chatted with Candy I came to that realization. I never really thought about any of the consequences to her children. Candy and Erik I could really care less about their paranoia. That is exactly what it is. I don't believe she is being stalked, and I don't beleive that anyone from this website would take the time to stalk her. Along with that, I think they definitely overvalue their improtance to the rest of the world and their community. If she continues to spew the hateful venom then she will continue to get noticed by the internet and her home town. Maybe it might be time to pack up the RV and move to Beverly.
Are you people kidding me? I have never in all my life seen such bitterness and hatred come out of anyone. In the name of what? Defending religion. I think you're all crazy!
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interesting...because this is axactly what I see over at KTH..
Oh, and let it be known that I'm a Christian and I'm appalled by the behavior that goes on here. I'm not stupid, unintelligent, blinded, or any of the other things you all have said of people who have read her blog.
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and I'm Catholic and likewise appalled at the behavior that goes on a KTH...I'm also not stupid,inintelligent,or 'blinded' or any of the other things they have said over there and on their blogs of Catholics..
Well two points to Trish:
1. See you later
2. What are you doing reading this site in the first place. It is not like stumbling upon Candy's and not knowing what the substance of her blog is. It is clearly written at the top of this site. I guess I can appreciate your being the bigger person, but what is your point? Your comment about not reading Candy's site well just paste mine in place of Candy's name. But once again this is a situation where you feel as though the hypocritical point of view does not apply to yourself. I never invited you here, I have never asked you to leave, and if you disagree with the purpose of the blog well then you just stated it and you are welcome back, but I would not be able to figure out the point of that. Instead of reading a book, instead of watching television, instead of making aprons, and instead of wasting time on other things that everyone wastes their time on I blog. There you go there is my justification, but I don't think that will suffice you, nor do I think you will understand it, but this blog and I do not exist in order to appease you either. Maybe you should consider that the next time you post. Just as I have said many of times, you have the right to post what ever you want. You have the right to blog on your site whatever you want, BUT (and one the size of Hillary’s) people have the right to start up a blog against what you are saying. Why is that so difficult for people to understand? I understand I don’t have to read her blog, but I do (and I have that right). I understand that I can turn a blind eye to what I think is wrong, but I won’t (and I have the right not to). I understand that you don’t understand what is going on, but this blog and I don’t exist to do that either. You are a self-centered person to think I am trying to gain anyone’s (especially your) acceptance. I put up a blog, it had five readers, and then it turned into somewhere where people can come unedited, uncensored, and without the fear of being banned. Guess what, it worked.
Trish, writing here to rant about how we must have nothing better to do and to insinuate that we're bad people is no better than anything we write.
If you were truly above or more morally grounded than those that post here, you'd have ignored it all and turned the other cheek. Yet, your desire to get involved was so strong you had to do it on some moral pretense; a moral you don't hold to any higher than those your are judging.
And, for your information, I have a hell of a lot more to do in any given day than sit here, which is why I don't. But, I just happen to work sitting at a computer 8 hours a day and it takes all of seconds to read here sometime and minutes if I decide to post something. If you can think of a better way for me to spend the whomping 15 minutes, max, per day that I spend here, I'd be glad to hear it. But, then you'd have to know what my days are like in the first place, wouldn't you, and since we know you don't...
one great thing about this blog..is that Trish had the opportunity to come here speak her piece and share her message....I'd LOVE to go over to KTH and say the EXACT same thing to Candy and her readers..but guess what?.....it would never see the light of day..Candy doesn't allow discenting views or opinions...not only that but there's a good possiblity that if my comment DID see the light of day....it would be edited and twisted into soemthing I did not really say....or better yet linked to a site that had NOTHING to do with me or what I said...In other words I would more than likely be misrepresented over there ..on purpose...She's done it to qutie a few of the Catholics who have tried to comment over there.....of course that would only be IF my comment was even posted which more than likely it wouldn't be
At least here everyone gets to have their voice heard...
Andi Asked: "I have an honest question. Do Catholics believe that non denominational Christians are wrong in their beliefs? Do Catholics believe they need to share the Gospel?"
Answer: Sort of.
Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ, so in that regard, nondenominational Christians are just fine. However, we believe that their participation in the Body of Christ is imperfect. So saved, yes, enjoying all the riches of the Spirit that they could be enjoying, no. That pleasure belongs to our twin sister in faith the Orthodox Church.
(Oddly, the anti-Catholics never attack the Orthodox and the Orthodox are twice as weird as we are. I love them, but even they will admit they're arcane!)
We're obliged to share the Gospel according to the Great Commission, but it's hard to do with a person who is a walking Jack Chick tract.
"EXACTLY, salvation is not, "I believe in Jesus, not let me get back to living for myself". Confessing Christians are representatives of Christ himself. It is a daily effort to follow Him."
I completely agree with this statement. But we are still human and we are still going to sin, and that is why we have to take up the cross daily. I am a Christian, not of any denomination. There is a lot of lip service out there, "Dear Jesus, I believe....blah blah blah" and there is never any change. And then there are true believers that have dynamic changes in their lives because of God working through them. I see it in other religions to, not just Christianity.
I am a little confused though. This is what I don't understand and I am trying to:
"For me it's not so much a matter of YOU are WRONG if you don't believe what WE believe...for me it's more a matter of, I believe WE are RIGHT,we have the fullness of Truth...the WHOLE truth...but that doesn't automatically make YOU 'wrong'... I reserve the possiblity that YOU could be RIGHT too. For me I KNOW in MY heart that I am on THE right path...I don't feel any other path would be THE right path, for sure...so I take the one I KNOW is right...the other path MIGHT take me to the same place, so I wont tell you you are on the WRONG path if you choose to take that one...but I will share my belief that THIS path I am on definately leads us to God..."
If this is what you wholeheartedly believe and I do not have the fullness of the truth, wouldn't you want me to ( I know you don't know me, I am speaking for those who don't share your faith)? Wouldn't you want me to to be fully united in Christ's church? Wouldn't you want to know that I am on the same path that you? Your answer seems very diplomatic.
What about those of other faiths; Wiccan, Mormans, JW.....do you feel the same? They have a very different outlook on Christ. Like I said, I am not trying to condemn, I am trying to understand.
And Amanda, I respectfully disagree about we all worship the same God just differently aspect. If you read about Buddha you will see he is much different from Christ.
I know Christ is the true way, because he is the only one who STILL lives.
Andi!
Of course we want you to know the fullness of Truth! But look at how it was handled... we lead.. you asked.. we responded. That, to me, speaks volumes! And it is much nicer than me telling you your way is wrong!
I went to a bible study of mixed religions. Well.. *I* was the only Catholic. The rest were.. some branch of pentecostal?? Not sure. I was invited and went. Every single person came up to me at some point in the night and said, "You need to come to my church!" NEED? I politely informed them I did have a church and very happy there. I felt I was there as a recruit.. not to learn about the bible. I felt there mission was to pull in new members. Same thing happened when I went to a concert at same church. They spent most of the night telling me they were gonna pray for me and how much i NEEDED to go to their church. That's all fine and dandy.. but I prefer to not be bombarded and TOLD I need to go somewhere. Instead, leading my example.. I have had a few people ask me what church i go to becuase of my deep faith. I have had others tell me "I want what you have.. that deep faith." And "I know you are a religious person by the way you live your life." To me.. that speaks to the heavens! I am setting an example. People want what I have.. and they can have it!! It's FREE! And.. it's WONDERFUL!!
Wow, Trish, you said that on Candy's blog? Well, good luck with that.
Oh wait. THIS is what you posted over there:
"God Bless You, Candy. If you are who you say you are, then keep on keeping on. If you're not, then that's for God to judge, not me (or any other scary people out there in "internet land")."
BTW, Trish, how are we supposed to have ONE REBUTTAL to something she says, when she won't even acknowledge any disagreement? This blog exists for all of the people she has tried to marginalize.
Catholics don't seek out people to convert them. I pray for unity of all Christians all the time and if asked about my faith, I will provide information. (That's just one of the reasons it's so funny that Candy calls our church a cult.) We try to lead by example, and therefore, we respect other people's religious choices and don't go out looking for a fight. This fight was brought upon us, and we are merely defending ourselves.
I know some of Candy's friends come here and read with a bias and are horrified by other things about Candy's character having been brought to the surface here. I personally could care less about anything she says aside from her attacks on Catholics, but I see where people are coming from- Candy fails to listen to us defend ourselves, and she (and many of her readers) sees herself as perfectly credible on the topic of Catholicism when in fact she is completely off-base and perpetuating misconceptions. By showing other items she has been untruthful about, it proves the argument that she is presenting misinformation about the church as well.
"Instead, leading my example.. I have had a few people ask me what church i go to becuase of my deep faith. I have had others tell me "I want what you have.. that deep faith." And "I know you are a religious person by the way you live your life." To me.. that speaks to the heavens! I am setting an example. People want what I have.. and they can have it!! It's FREE! And.. it's WONDERFUL!!"
I am in total agreement with you. And I really understand where you are coming from, because I have had the same thing happen to me. Praise God for that! I don't agree with Candy's tactics at all.
My in laws are Catholic, they do not miss any opportunity to let me know I am not one of them and that I am wrong for not being part of their church. :( They want me to come to every mass and event at the Catholic church. So I really understand where you are coming from. I think it is a gross generalization that all Christians are like this, just as I don't believe all Catholics are like my in laws.
In all my questions about Catholicism I am left asking more questions, because there is not a clear answer. For example, a dear friend asked me to be her daughter's Godmother. I accepted and thought what an honor! Then I asked three different people all of whom are Catholic what did the baptism mean? Here are the answers I got: 1. So that the child goes to heaven. 2. Tradition, it really was just for show. 3. To show that they would raise the child in church.
Then during the baptism, the priest said, "Baptism is salvation for the child. If anyone ever tells you you are not saved, you tell them you were baptized as a baby in the Catholic church." I was so confused at this point. And I still am.
I reserve the possiblity that YOU could be RIGHT too. For me I KNOW in MY heart that I am on THE right path...I don't feel any other path would be THE right path, for sure...so I take the one I KNOW is right...the other path MIGHT take me to the same place, so I wont tell you you are on the WRONG path if you choose to take that one...but I will share my belief that THIS path I am on definately leads us to God..."
If this is what you wholeheartedly believe and I do not have the fullness of the truth, wouldn't you want me to ( I know you don't know me, I am speaking for those who don't share your faith)? Wouldn't you want me to to be fully united in Christ's church? Wouldn't you want to know that I am on the same path that you? Your answer seems very diplomatic.
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yes of course I would WANT you to..but...I'm not going to beat you over the head and drag you there...all I can do is 'share' my faith ..after that the ball is in your court as to wether you'll follow....as for the path....i know I'm on the right Path...what I don't know for sure is if you are on the wrong one...if I knew you were on the one..then yeah...I'd tell you.....but I think your path probably goes there too..so while i'll tell you mine is probably a quicker or better way to get there I'm not going to say 'you are wrong'
I just don't believe that confronting people and telling them how 'wrong' they are works...it's much better to just share the truth...be a role model for the truth...and let people see you live it..
Then I asked three different people all of whom are Catholic what did the baptism mean? Here are the answers I got: 1. So that the child goes to heaven. 2. Tradition, it really was just for show. 3. To show that they would raise the child in church.
Now I'm not saying I'm right, but this is how I understand Catholic baptisim:
Were an unbaptized child to die, s/he would not go to heaven, they would go to "Limbo," which is not heaven or hell, it's just, well, what it sounds like. It's no place, I guess. (Of course, I also heard that the Church did away with Limbo, which is something I don't understand---either it exists or it doesn't. By all means, if I'm wrong about Limbo, someone please correct me.) By baptizing you, your parents are committing your life to God and pledging to bring you up Catholic.
When a Catholic is Confirmed, it is a confirmation of the baptisimal vows. This time, the individual is speaking for himself (as opposed to the parents standing up for him).
This is how I understand Baptisim. As I said, if I am wrong, please do correct me. And if someone understands Limbo better than I, please speak up.
Mama22:
I loved what you said because that is exactly what happened to me. I received all my sacraments as a Catholic but never knew or understood the CCC.
I was super involved in the protestant faith for the last 8 years.
Since Candy has started her studies and regurgitation of others beliefs about Catholism, it started me to search out exactly what the problems are.
Now, in my OWN researching, I am finding so much more than what meets the eye. I have been back to Mass and I have a better appreciation for their beliefs. I cannot say that I am a full Catholic again, but my roots are in Catholism.
Every time she has posted about the RC's whom she loves, I have sent her thank yous for pushing me back to researching things out for myself.
There is too many inconsistencies in her postings, too much hatred, too much pride for me to get on board with her. From where I am reading, there are blind guides who are leading people straight to hell. We are to test for ourselves. I can attest that her behaviour has pushed me in the opposite direction. I used to really respect her. Now I read her site to measure myself in how I am coming across to others and repenting for being so blinded.
Okay, I researched Limbo a bit. Here is something I found:
Does the Catholic Church still believe in limbo, a place for unbaptized babies to go if they die without baptism?
The Catholic Church never "believed" in limbo. The existence of limbo for unbaptized infants is not part of divine revelation, but rather was and is an educated theological "guess." The term was coined by St. Augustine of Hippo and literally means "fringe." This came about because God has not chosen to reveal what happens to deceased unbaptized infants. We know that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation (John 3:5) because God revealed this. We also know that something called "baptism of desire" is possible. Since unbaptized infants seem incapable of any "desire" or act of their will, theologians have speculated throughout the ages about their destiny in this context St. Augustine thought that it would be an offense against God's justice to suppose He would allow such creatures to suffer any pain, but that rather God places such infants in a state of "natural," but not supernatural happiness for eternity. This he called "limbo." Other theologians say that God's "universal salvific will" (1 Timothy 2:4) includes unbaptized people who do not have the use of reason when they die and that they enjoy supernatural happiness by some means we do not now know. Catholics are free to believe or disbelieve in limbo. What happens to unbaptized people who do not have the use of reason and who die in that state is an open question. Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, number 1261.
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As a protestant, I have always had a very difficult time in just reciting a prayer and the Holy Spirit will open up your understanding of the Scriptures, etc.
That whole deal doesn't line up with the Apostles lives or the martyr's lives recorded in the Bible.
I don't want to be associated with Candy and her faith because of the unrest, prideful, nasty, 'well this is the way I am' appearance.
In my opinion, I do not think it would hurt her or her husband to hang around people outside of church - then they may be able to learn and grow up. Right now, it just appears to me that they have the reasoning of children because that's all they are surround by. I feel really bad for the children - because in the whole nutshell, the children should have adults raising them because eventually they too will be adults.
The way that they conduct their views and selves is sad in that there is zero maturity in their social and communication skills. If they really want to follow Christ - they would recognize His patterns and they are certainly not immature and insulting.
thanks for reading....
Andi,
What an honor indeed!
I'm not good at putting into words what I am trying to say so I usually leave it up to those who can get things across much clearer, but I'm going to give it my best shot. The 3 you asked.. where are they in their walk with God? We all go down the path. Some walk faster.. some walk slower. Some are in such a rush to get there that they overlook the beauty of the walk! Does that make sense?
To answer your question.. baptism is to become a member of the church and to remove the punishment and guilt of original sin.
My sister left the catholic faith.. I try to set the example and we have talked about what she felt she was lacking. She has never found a church she likes.. and I try to tell her it takes more than just attending church on Sundays to reach a deeper faith. I chalk it up to she is not ready to work at it... hopefully, one day... I don't push, I try to lead.
Dana,
That gave me chills and my eyes welled up! Thank you so very much for sharing that! I am so happy to hear you are digging in and searching! May you continue on your journey with peace in your heart!! I hope you visit VTC - there are a lot of wonderful women there who know soo much about our faith and can help answer any questions you have!
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dana- if there were more people like you reading Candy's blog, I don't think this whole battle would exist. God bless you for being an individual who takes it upon herself to learn the truth.
It is awesome to see respectful conversation about this sensitive topic.
Oh look at that, we have a hit & run left by someone named Trish! What a freaking coward!
I posted on Candy's site, and I'll post here, as well. Then, I'm done with all of this childish stuff.
Oh what's the matter, you can't stay and play? :( It's not so fun when everyone's not agreeing with you and patting you on the back is it?
Are you people kidding me?
No, we're actually very serious.
I have never in all my life seen such bitterness and hatred come out of anyone. In the name of what? Defending religion. I think you're all crazy!
Who here is defending religion? Do you have an IQ problem or would it be a reading comprehension problem?
This is an entire website being run by what I'm assuming is an adult. It's sole purpose is to bash and run down another person. What are you, 12?
No, but I believe that might be the age Candy began keeping her first Home Management Binder, since she is so mature and Christia-like. Gosh darn, how we all want to be like Candy!!!!
I can't believe I'm here, but since I am I have a question. Do any of you not have anything more productive to do than sit on the computer all day and ruin another person?
Yes, we do. Some of us here have day jobs that don't include baking ASStounding bread, kombootie tea, and homemade yogurt, posting 20-paragraph blogs, exercising 6 hours a day, and going to Meez praise parties.
You all are a scary bunch!
Thank you, it's fun that way. But we're not nearly as scary as Candy.
I'm leaving now and won't return here (or there) because I'm afraid of how this might turn out.
That's not surprising. By the tone of your post, you seem to be the hit and run type. Whatev.
Oh, and let it be known that I'm a Christian and I'm appalled by the behavior that goes on here. I'm not stupid, unintelligent, blinded, or any of the other things you all have said of people who have read her blog. I think one rebuttal to something you disagree with would suffice. An entire website devoted to name calling and hatred is just silly. I'll be praying that God would heal your bitterness.
Thank you for your heartfelt prayers. I am a heathen and desperately need them.
Oh, and one more thing. For any of you who may know Candy in real life. If you don't like her, fine. Don't read her blog, and don't be around her. Hmm... problem solved. If you are unable to do that, you may want to consider professional help.
Nope, problem not solved. She is a bigot and a liar, a cult leader, and leads people astray. It's about time someone starts a blog to expose her ways.
See, one issue I have with her commenters (not her) is their double standards.
For example, "Your opponents are mostly Catholic. Why aren't they just ignoring you or praying for you unceasingly? Wouldn't it be a better witness for that religion to remain quiet?" while praising her for speaking out. It makes no sense. I am not Catholic. I won't be Catholic. I do not agree with too many of their theological beliefs to convert. But I refuse to hate a Catholic, refuse to bash them over the head and refuse to do anything other than love them with the love of Christ like I do all people in this world (no matter what doors they walk into on the weekend, or don't walk into). But to say you guys should shut up while she goes on and on or you aren't a good witness is just a huge double standard and not fair at all. It speaks volumes to me.
Sweeping the home always has such a diplomatic way of putting thing, and this is why we love her.
I will let you all in on my personal beliefs when it comes to Religion in general. I have none. I believe in karma just for my sanity. I would have a difficult time living through life knowing (or nowing) that people who are evil and hurtful get along just as well as people who are kind. It is the only way I can rationalize my behavior. I consider myself a good person. I have done some very honorable things in my life. Things (random acts of kindness) that I would venture to guess that hardly anyone would do. I believe in humans and the inherent belief that people are good. I have tried all types of Christianity. I have gone through Catholicism, Pentecostal, Charismatic non-denominational, Church of Christ, Presbyterian, Methodist, and Baptist. I have run the gauntlet for all. I discovered around the age of seventeen that I just did not have the ability to make the leap of faith, and generally in church it all felt fake for me. Now I am not saying that church or religion was fake, but that I felt fake for being there, congregating with people that felt strongly about it, and doing some half-ass participation. That made me feel fake. I have never had God talk to me or touch me in any way. Maybe it was subtle and I missed it, but I don't think so. I am very interested in religion (all types), and I generally lean towards Zen Buddhism. I truly believe that earth is our heaven. I truly believe that heaven is within us. Now I have these beliefs, but I very seldom share them, because I don't feel as though my beliefs really apply to anyone else. I don't look down upon people with different religious beliefs. Usually when I see someone who is very religious there is a sense of jealousy, but there is also a sense of beauty that I see in it as well. The beauty in seeing that someone is not searching, the beauty in their faith, and the idea that they have that part of their life settled I think is a wonderful thing. I had a friend that had a relative die and she was starting to doubt her faith. I don't know if I was the first one, but I definitely know it was the first thing that I wrote about. The first thing I told her was to not go down that road while in the state that she was in. I explained that religion is a beautiful thing, and it gets tested quite a bit. If you are secure in your religion then by all means share it, and let it be known. The only times I get frustrated with religious people is when they feel so secure that it now becomes time for them to convert. It is this arrogance that makes my stomach turn. To think that you are so in tune with God that you have the ability to stop focusing on their salvation, and the ability to concentrate on others. That drives me crazy. I just think religion is so personal; it is like a person's child. You can't condemn something so personal, and you can't think that your religion is good for everyone. You set your own path, and God gave us all the ability to cognitively decide what is best for us, and we all live with that decision, and it is only up to us to choose. Yes you can look for guidance from others, but to get unsolicited guidance from people, or to be told that your way is leading you down the path of the condemned, well I just think that is so arrogant and not the way to get me to come over.
Great comments!
I am finding this really interesting. I really like how this conversation is opening up. I am repelled by spiritual arrogance ( which is a bit like saying I am repelled by breaking wind in public, in that pretty much everyone is turned off by it) But I am really intrigued by peoples beliefs and how they came to feel that way. It's hard to have that conversation IRL or online without people getting all het up and authoritative and ruining it.Its SUCH a turn off and makes it impossible to learn a thing because they keep you so busy being irritated.
if there is 'truth' and there is an author of that truth, it seems to me that we need to relax just a little and take care to let The Author get a look in rather than jumping up and down and getting in His way. That is what I see alot of 'Christians' doing.
It's rather a delightful surprise to see that, for the moment at any rate, on this little blog, we have put down our weapons and played a little footie in no mans land.
And on that note, and since it's nearly 1am here in rainy London, I shall close my screen weary eyes with the strains of 'stille nacht' running through my head.
Goodnight all!
I live in OK (Riverbend) and do know the _ _ _ _ _ _ family by seeing them around town. The _ _ _ _ _ _ is known by being "different" and among my Catholic friends, we have read KTH blog. Our conversation was more of_ _ _ _ _ ' s ignorance of the RC faith and her "play by play" of each day and detail. We took her bigotry with a grain of salt because she is just so "out there." We also realize that she is not brightest bulb in the chandelier. (I know that wasn't very Christian but this is an objective finding from reading her blog) I have also come to the conclusion that a large % of her readers are at
_ _ _ _ _'s education level. (also objective by reviewing the various blogs).
Her life is very public. Her whole life dates back to 2005 maybe 2003on the WWW. There is a picture of the dad holding the son on the election page! Google her name, prayzgod, husband name--it on the web. The husband has stated in an article that he does not pay taxes. Then you have the statement about disabled children... The children's pictures are etched on her blog. I have seen this family. With the etched photo--I could pick them out in a line up.
It is a common practice in the bible belt to be invited to visit a particular church. I decline and thank them for the invite. When certain religions come to our door, I always say. "I will listen to you if I can show you my collection of rosaries and holy cards."---they decline.
Please pray that my husband gets transferred back to the northeast.
garnet (that's such a pretty name), here i was envying the people in your neck of the woods, you have an FSSP chapel that I would love to go to!
Aine,
Our wedding was of the Latin Rite and St. Michaels is one of the reasons we moved to the _ _ _ _ _ _ _, OK area. A large number of parents in our parish do homeschool but ours (7) attend a parochial school. My husband is a physician at the university. Prior, we were in Boston. We find _ _ _ _ _'s blog
humorous because it is so outrageous. We do pray for her and her family and her conversion to Catholicism. LOL. I will end at that thought.
But I am really intrigued by peoples beliefs and how they came to feel that way. It's hard to have that conversation IRL or on line without people getting all het up and authoritative and ruining it.Its SUCH a turn off and makes it impossible to learn a thing because they keep you so busy being irritated.
if there is 'truth' and there is an author of that truth, it seems to me that we need to relax just a little and take care to let The Author get a look in rather than jumping up and down and getting in His way.
I really like this observation and statement. Faith is highly personal, yet so "there". I, too, am very intrigued by how people come by their faith and what they get from it as well. Being that I am not among the labeled believers (if you have to give me a label, call me a deist; I believe in a creator, a God, but not the God from the Bible, Koran, Torah). It is next to impossible to ever even discuss that, because immediately I get bombarded with what is wrong with my belief, and how I should come to see things "their" way, whoever they may be at the time.
But, I believe, very strongly, that I cannot be forced to believe anything. And, being pushy and nasty and forceful is going to push me away and make me run faster than the track & field stars in the upcoming Olympics. If God wants to work within my heart, He will do it, right? Isn't that a large part of what it's all about?
Discussing that, however, brings me to a standstill. I get beyond irritated and angry and frustrated and those who want to bring me to their God get belligerent and downright mean in their predictions for my eternal soul and how horrible I am for the way I live my life and believe, or don't believe. You know what? I won't learn anything from that type of attitude. Nothing. Ever.
If there is one God, and he makes the rules, He will speak to me as needed. I don't need, or want, those that think they have all the answers telling me anything. Part of it is wanting to do things for myself, but the other part is that really, you cannot force belief. It is there or it is not. And, as the old saying says, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Don't be arrogant, self righteous or downright nasty when communicating with someone who doesn't believe as you do. It will get you, and them, nowhere.
When certain religions come to our door, I always say. "I will listen to you if I can show you my collection of rosaries and holy cards."---they decline.
I've done similar things. One, I live a mile off the road, and it's not a main road. You need to really work to come to my house. If you get as far as my door, you better be prepared for me to speak to you, or I will not let you speak to me. I have had to resort to being nasty myself and telling them to get off my private property because they pushed and pushed.
I asked one "visitor" why I should believe him and no one else, including my family. I gave no background on my family, my history, my current beliefs, nothing. His response? I am not kidding you, he said "because I have the truth, and the only truth and whatever you've been taught before is false". Hello? You don't know what I've been taught! Here's some truth for you, buddy - get off my property, now, before I make a phone call. You are not going to win any souls, or any points in heaven, behaving in such a ridiculous manner. One does NOT go up to someone else's door and immediately tell them everything they know is wrong; particularly - duh - if you don't even know what they've been taught!
As you can see, this is all a very irritating subject for me. But, I am glad that there are so many here with different beliefs who are willing to talk about them instead of force them or resort to insults and arrogance.
See, even mean people can find common, tasteful ground on which to communicate.
Our house screams CATHOLIC. Outside my front door, we have a collection of crosses and a clay plaque of Mother Teresa. I have a St. Francis statue in my front courtyard. From the outside, you can actually see the Blessed Mother statue in the stairwell.
After reviewing what I wrote, my house/decorating sounds kind of tacky. LOL
Anyway, I do not understand why people want us to stray from our strong Catholic faith. We have been to Haiti to do missionary work. We provide the much needed medical care and do not try to convert them. I had to terminate our housekeeper because she was always trying to save us. Arrggggg!
BTW, _ _ _ _ _'s current do-it-yourself family medical care is dangerous. I am scared for her family and readers who follow her advise. This really irritates Dr. M. (husband) St. Charles does have a free clinic if money is the issue.
Peace and good night.
G
Garnet,
I'm an FSSP'r too - but dislocated right now, LOL! We used to go to Fr. Walter's mass in OK long ago - (not FSSP but Latin); he baptized me and did my sister's preCana.
Email me if you have a blog/wanna chat. It's
good to meet you!
I sure would like to make it clear that using the word Brauers is not off limits. You can let us know where you live if you would like as well. Since Candy's last name is so readily available on the internet, I don't think that is a privacy matter that we would be breaking. The terms are very simple and straight forward: No Address, Kids Names, or What town THEY live in.
I can see it now. There will be all the saved people going past the gates, while all the people wrapped up in saving people stand outside. I guess they should have concentrated on themselves. That is the way I see it. Concentrate on yourself, feel comfortable about where you are spiritually, and don't worry about other people.
Amen, Mattie!
Maybe passing out Jack Chick tracts saying, "There is still time!"
Amazingly, Candy calls the Catholic Church a cult, yet got sucked into believing Jack Chick and all his malarky. I sure thought she was smarter than that! Seriously!!
hey everyone, i haven't posted on this site yet, but i have been keeping up with this candy crap quite religiously for the past week, and it has become my source of entertainment. i thought i would just jump right in and share a few things that i found to be absolutely hilarious and a bit scary. keep up the good work, everyone!
Anne said...
Hi Elena,
I found your blog through alot of running around among other blogs. Let me introduce myself...I am Candy Brauer's sister-in-law. Her husband, Erik, is my brother. I commend you on your efforts to try and call her attention to the illogical fabrications she posts about Catholics, but you are wasting your time. Erik and Candy have the mindset of "don't confuse us with the facts, we've made up our own." Your frustration with her blog is only a fraction of what we in the family have to put up with when talking to them. ..on several levels, not just religion. You might be interested to know that of myself and my three brothers, only Erik went through the Cathoic church confirmation process as a teenager.
Anyway, the outright lies and misleading statements she makes regularly on her blog used to really anger me...now they just annoy me and I pity her. I really think she has been whitewashing the facts and manipulating information to suit her beliefs for so long that she is incapable of stating any wholly truthful information. I used to think, "If her readers knew what I knew, they'd never visit the blog again." But I have too much to do each day besides clarifying her half truths for her readers. I watch her blog mainly to keep tabs on my nephews and neice...that is another can of worms altogether. All is NOT WELL in Candyland...BELIEVE ME!!
Anyway, I hope you can get something helpful out of this post for your own peace of mind.
Sincerely,
Anne Campbell
Non-denominational Christian,
Former Catholic,
Sinner who loves Christ!
prayzgod [candy] said...
When my father was laying in the hospital dying, his wife verbally attacked me, when I stopped by her house to offer my support. When I attempted to leave, she ran in front of me, and stood in front of my car door, while she yelled at me and called me names.
I calmly told her that I don't communicate on that level, and that we can discuss the issue when she's had time to calm down. I then started walking down the street (since she would let me into my vehicle). She ran into her house (I heard her slam the door), so I quickly got into my vehicle and drove home. ;-)
Another situation... A wife (now ex) of my BIL threw a temper tantrum in my kitchen on Christmas day several years ago. I have no idea what about, she just came in and starting having a fit. :-( My children were with me, so I just gathered them together, and we quietly went into another room and played games together while my husband and brother got her calmed down.
One of the most feminine things a lady can do, is be patient, calm, and level headed, even in the face of severe turmoil.
A lady doesn't yell or attack others. Women may do that, but never a lady. :-)
June 26, 2007 11:49 PM
anyway, hope y'all enjoy!
Apparently Erik has disowned his family, per the post today.
How very, very sad to make yourself and orphan and take grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins away from your children!
Despite being "nearly unsaveable", I will continue to pray for that family.
When my father was laying in the hospital dying, his wife verbally attacked me, when I stopped by her house to offer my support. When I attempted to leave, she ran in front of me, and stood in front of my car door, while she yelled at me and called me names.
I calmly told her that I don't communicate on that level, and that we can discuss the issue when she's had time to calm down. I then started walking down the street (since she would let me into my vehicle). She ran into her house (I heard her slam the door), so I quickly got into my vehicle and drove home. ;-)
Another situation... A wife (now ex) of my BIL threw a temper tantrum in my kitchen on Christmas day several years ago. I have no idea what about, she just came in and starting having a fit. :-( My children were with me, so I just gathered them together, and we quietly went into another room and played games together while my husband and brother got her calmed down.
One of the most feminine things a lady can do, is be patient, calm, and level headed, even in the face of severe turmoil.
A lady doesn't yell or attack others. Women may do that, but never a lady. :-)
Oh poor Candy, she sure does get persecuted a lot, doesn't she? But she's such a sweet, holy Christian, despite all the attacks. No matter how hard I try, I just can't seem to be a lady like her, damnit. I wonder if Barbizon school of modeling would help me? Is it a Christian school?
Milehimamma,
What will their readers think?? Surely that is no being a good christian is all about? Disowning your own family? Turning your back when they need your prayers more than ever? What kind of example are they setting by doing this? They can LOVE the Catholics and all their wrong doings, but they cannot turn the other cheek for their own family?
Me thinks they are trying to snag the upper hand. Alas, it will only fall and smack you straight on the forehead! How selfish to take those kids away from the family. Selfish!
Is anyone else unable to stomach his crap? Catholicisim aside, he is just so pompus. He knows it all and that's all there is to it.
And I do NOT understand where all these former Catholics who were not allowed to read the Bible are coming from?! My entire CCD class was given one for confirmation and encouraged strongly to read it! Maybe us Nebraska Catholics are different than the Oklahoma ones....
Considering how often Candy talks about how important her family is, they sure aren't teaching their children very good lessons, are they? Apparently, to them, family is only those who believe as you do. To hell with the rest.
How very sad. I couldn't imagine life without my mom, siblings, nieces & nephews, aunts, uncles and cousins. Or any of my in-laws. We probably have as many religious beliefs in our family as we do family members, but among all of us - and on my side, there are 58 people - it is family that is first and the most important. ALL of our family.
Those children are missing out on some serious relationships. My cousin's are like siblings to me. We grew up together. And now, our generations is doing the same with our children.
How selfish to disown an entire family simply because you believe in something differently than they do.
But, apparently, their dis-ownership doesn't extend to his father and his gifts. Or his paid vacations.
The more they talk, the worse they come off. They may be trying to do damage control, but they're just making it worse on themselves.
Hi Matthew,
I just found this blog this week and have been trying to devour it. I've gotten through all of the posts but not the multitude of comments! This is much like eating an elephant: I am merely taking one bite at a time so forgive me if I'm rehashing old news. I have read far enough into the comments to see that you, Matthew, have mentioned Erik’s site, Brauer Engineering, where he is asking for hefty donations to fund his inventions. That sends up so many red flags for me. Can you say con artist??
Seeing as this blog is barely a month old, all the comments suggest to me that Candy is taking the wrong route to redeeming "lost" souls?
Also, MOM made a couple of comments on the previous post, but I thought maybe I should address them here on the more current one:
MOM, you said a couple of things that struck a chord with me. The first being, "I remember too that the kids who were picking on others were the ones most miserable with themselves." Boy, this seems to ring true. Candy must be extremely miserable!
The other thing that struck me was when you said, "My point was that it is he who has not sinned who should cast the first stone." What I find so odd about that is that Candy has had her blog for much longer than either Matthew or the ladies at VTC, and from what I have found perusing the 'net, has been casting that stone probably even longer than she has blogged. For instance: http://www.faithforum.org/challenge/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4427 This is the 12th Planet Debunked post and it’s dated 9/24/04; four years ago.
On the same forum her intro dated 4/19/02 has a link in her signature that says:
Skeptic's Questions Answered (challenge met and accepted).
http://www.GenuineProfit.com/answers.html
The link is now dead, but it was most likely her original blog. That was over six years ago. I did find pieces of it on the wayback machine and about a fourth of the way down on this link: http://web.archive.org/web/20021017143252/www.freewebs.com/genuineprofit/answers.html she says this, “The only church disputing the Canon in general is the Catholic church. Without the approcrapha, they'd have a harder time doing most of their heathen practises which are against Canonical scripture.” (sic)
So we are heathen, huh? Also, about three-fourths of this way down that same page she says, “Many, (if not most) official Catholics, by the way, are NOT Christians. They are a complete separate religion. Their religion is based off of the church's decisions, and they rely heavely on the disproven, unreliable appocraphyl books. Catholics do not believe in the preservation of God's word, and believe that in order for a person to know the "truth", they must join the Catholic Church.
Did you know that in the cult religion of Satanism, one must become a high degree Mason, and a Roman Catholic Priest, in order to attain the Satanic High Priesthood? This is partially because there are amazing similiarities in all of these religions. Study Classic Roman Catholism, High level Masonry, High level Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, High grade Wicca, and Satanism, and you'll start to see that they could all easily fall under the same religion heading. These, and many other cults, started with Nimrod, and his wife Semiramis, from Genesis 10, where Nimrod was proclaimed a "Mighty One".” (sic)
On down, “The Burning Times, as Wiccans put it, like the Salem Witch trials were lead by false Christians, and MOSTLY Catholics. Real Christians were often burned at the stake right next to witches.” And “I learned about the crusades and Inquisition from Christians. I learned NOTHING about this when I was going to a liberal public school. Through study, I learned that the crusades and Inquisition was lead mostly by Catholics. The Catholic church is NOT a Christian Bible believing church. See http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0112/albertoindex.asp” And “Furthermore, notice how Jesus never refers to Mary directly as mother. Mary was the human vessel that carried Him, but not literally His mother. This smashes the Catholic religion of Maryolatry to bits.”
But then she also uses the Catholic Church when it serves her purposes: “Furthermore, Cyprian, Bishop of Carthange, years 200-258, taught the Trinity, while quoting 1 John 5:7.” (sic)
Sorry for such a long post but surely you can see that it wasn't Matthew or VTC casting the first stone. That action falls to Candy, and of all the people here (and at VTC) who have received her "love" I'm sure we "won't back down" from defending ourselves and calling her on her "inconsistencies" (to put it nicely).
Thanks, Matthew, for giving us this chance to be heard!
It always cracks me up when people claim Catholics rely on the apocrypha for all of their doctrines.
Of course, that theory is only put forth by people who have NEITHER read the Apocrypha NOR the Catechism.
And if they haven't read the deuterocanonical books, how do they know that they are not inspired? All you need is the Holy Spirit to enlighten you, you don't even need to understand anything, right Erik?
But, apparently, their dis-ownership doesn't extend to his father and his gifts. Or his paid vacations.
Good point, Tia. Somehow, that escaped me.
Sorry for such a long post but surely you can see that it wasn't Matthew or VTC casting the first stone. That action falls to Candy, and of all the people here (and at VTC) who have received her "love" I'm sure we "won't back down" from defending ourselves and calling her on her "inconsistencies" (to put it nicely).
Don't be sorry, first of all. Your "long" comment was informative, not long winded rambling. Nothing to be sorry about.
Next, I think you hit a nail on the exact center of its head. Candy has left her trail all along the Internet for years. She may be able to delete her own posts on her own blog to hide her tracks, but she can't do the same on other sites, particularly message boards. She has laid the groundwork and dropping stones for years. She really shouldn't be surprised that they're starting to be tossed back at her.
The instant population, so to speak, of this blog, is a pretty big indicator of how long she's been insulting people and the great numbers she has, and continues to, insult.
What goes around comes around. It's a saying so ingrained into our language that it doesn't always hit the whole point is used to. In this case, I think it's right on.
Hey Erika. I haven't seen MOM in a while, I think we may have scared her off. I don't blame her, we're a bit creepy and scary here, especially to Candyites.
Oh, speaking of MOM, I forgot to mention that she did comment on my blog with an appology. She did seems contrite/sincere, so I commented on her blog accepting her appology. Of course, my comment did not get published. (I suppose if she had published it, her dear readers might realize that she had said something less-than Christian.)
Just curious but has anyone ever discover the second "official" Inventors Hall of Fame? I've googled and come up with only one.
Why on earth would there be two?
I just had to share this comment on the RC Unsaveable post, by Amanda G.
"Her mother was getting together mementoes for their 20th Anniversary party, and one of them was the bible she carried as a RC bride. This lady opened it to show her wedding inscription, and I was shocked to find that her bible was in Latin!I asked if she read Latin, and she said no, but their services were performed in Latin so the bible she carried was, as well."
Hilarious! The Mass hasn't been in Latin for over 35 years, and only recently (like last year) was it emphasized that Latin is okay in America. Any bride that was having her wedding Mass celebrated in Latin would be WAY more catechized than that, since you have to ACTIVELY seek to have a Latin Mass!
No Latin Mass attendees I know have a bible all in Latin, either, nor have I heard of carrying a Bible in the wedding procession. I *guess* it could happen.
I did a quick search on the Inventors hall of fame when she mentioned that there were two and came up with the National Inventors Hall of Fame out of Akron, OH and one that is the New Jersey Inventors Hall of Fame.
I didn't get much further than finding them, but I found no other national, or international, hall of fame or inventor recognition organization. But, like I said, I didn't do more than a 30 second Google search.
Tia - that is all I found too. There is no way around this no matter what she says and how much we all search....SHE LIED!! Most of us know that, but some still hang on.
Sweeping - we aren't creepy and scary...we are vile and nasty!
From the same commentor that Milehimomma posted, she finished off with this.
It's hard to imagine having a holy book you can't read.
Apparently, she has no idea that this whole literacy thing we all take for granted now was not the status quo throughout history. Not only were people illiterate, even those that could read did not have a bible store down the street where they could just go buy a bible in their own language. Even if they could afford it.
If she can't imagine not having a bible in her own language, I hope she isn't teaching her children history, because she obviously can't use her imagination to go back in time and acknowledge the way things were.
Apparently, she has no idea that this whole literacy thing we all take for granted now was not the status quo throughout history. Not only were people illiterate, even those that could read did not have a bible store down the street where they could just go buy a bible in their own language. Even if they could afford it.
Which exactly why there is so much beautiful art in the history of Christianity...people couldn't read, but paintings and icons told a story.
If she can't imagine not having a bible in her own language, I hope she isn't teaching her children history, because she obviously can't use her imagination to go back in time and acknowledge the way things were.
I know you're not Catholic, but this is an argument Catholics make to "Bible-onlyists" all the time.
I'm glad to see Anne posted some of her thoughts "once upon a time." I didn't know she had it in her.
Well welcome Erika, and thank you so much for your comments.
As far as the second hall of fame: There are like six of them BUT and big ole a__ __. They are just websites crediting like the top ten inventions. Someone saying these are the top ten inventions. That is really what is so silly about the whole thing.
Shocking....a Bible in Latin.
I carried one when I married, along with a Rosary made of rosebuds 19 years ago. And I haven't been to a Latin Mass since I was a toddler and the language changed to the vernacular, a looooong time ago.
And I'd bet real money on the fact that it wasn't the woman's only Bible, but a special one, perhaps even an heirloom, because they were exceedingly rare even twenty years ago in the style described.
I would like to mention about the whole "Bible in Latin" comment over at Keeping the Home. My MIL does have a Bible in Latin. She also went to Catholic High School where one of the languages that you learned back then in Catholic HS was LATIN. She was still in HS before the language changed to the vernacular, so it was a required class. She definitely cannot read or speak it perfectly, especially not anymore. But she did learn it at one point. And her Latin translation Bible was never her only one. I just had to ask her yesterday because the coment was just so silly to me.
My mother has my Grandmother's Bible that is written in German. It also had a brief history of our family and the famly tree handwritten on the inside by various family members as it was passed down. It is an heirloom and I cannot wait to own it. But it seems like according to Candy's readers I should just toss this beautiful Bible because I can't read German. Silly silly.
I have a NT in Greek, but it's interlinear so I *CAN* read it.
'Cause while learning Greek is on my to do list, it ain't gonna happen for a while! Maybe in 20 years when the littles are grown and gone...
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