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Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Alright keep it up and you will put us out of buisness
Is it just me or have Candy's recent post been a little...uh....boring? Is she trying to wait us out? Has she changed? I think she truly believes that if she is boring for a week then we will go away. Well that might work in the world of Candy, but not in reality. We know Candy it is only a matter of time before you begin you self righteous notion that your way of living and religion is right for everyone. Why not just cut to the chase and continue? I am sure that the other sites are seeing a slow down as well. Surely we are not in a Candy recession?
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 480 Newer› Newest»Because she is! I wonder what her saved by Candy family thinks of all of that? I can promise you that if I decided to entirely turn my belief system on its ear based on someones blog on the Internet, my husband wouldn't go along with me willingly.
One time when I went by her blog, she had posted that her husband was wanting to go to seminary, and their pastor was very supportive. Which should clue you in to the type of church this is. Usually, churches discourage people from seminary until they've been in the religion for about 2 years, to sort of help new converts settle down the zeal a bit. This was probably about 6 months after they started going to the IBF church.
I find her blog generally pretty boring, so I rarely stop by. I don't really know any more than that about her situation.
Oh, Amanda, you should have kept reading today's comments. You'd have come across this gem:
May I ask one question on how you handle a certain aspect of your dress? I noticed, on Tuesday's dress, that the top is very sheer. You can see through it in parts. What do you do about this? Do you wear an undergarment or don't worry about it or what?
And, you CAN see undergarments through the dress.
Plus, this new explanation from Candy of why wearing her hair in a braid is not unScriptural:
NOTE: "Broided" does not mean 'braided hair,' it means hair that has been embroidered with lots of ribbons, lace, strings and jewels, strung through out braids. That is showy hair. A simple or French braid is not "broided," unless it has ribbons and jewels and such weaved through it.
Except the original Greek (please forgive me for bringing this up) is plegma - which means a PLAIT of hair. The root work, pleko, means to twine or braid.
So if I put a ribbon in my hair I am being showy? Am i the only one who finds this explanation crazy? This verse was not meant to say dont wear your hair a certain way or wear jewelry. It was meant to show you that what people recognize you for should not be your outward appearance but your inward beauty.
I am still wondering what happened to the copy of candyland blog. Who started it and why did they discontinue?
Yet another enigma surrounding the land of candy.
Does anyone know anything about it?
On another note, I don't really care what she wears as it's entirely her business but personally, I really dislike the boots. I actually think the slippers look better than those boots, especially with a dress.
I don't think she's an unattractive lady but she could certainly look better if she chose shoes to match her outfit.
Again, it's really irrelevant and I'm simply making a personal observation and voicing my preference. I don't think it makes or breaks her character, fabricating her life and claiming to be a christian does.
I save all of Candy's "interesting" posts and I still have the one where she posted about Elena's house. I'll copy & paste it below, but I'll leave out specific name that Candy posted to protect Elena's privacy.
Warning... Don't fall for IP hiding software, because it's not making you as secure as you think. Certainly IP addresses could be dangerous, because via a Geo Locator a person could just type in your IP address, and use satellite imagery to hone in on your home. Will using an IP hider protect you from this? No.
People leave all sorts of thumbprints on the net. Some sites can even read your hard drive's serial number; hence, having a fake IP address would do nothing.
I geo tracked myself, without my IP address, and was able to find the below satellite imagery of my old rural neighborhood:
[she inserted a satellite pic here]
My old house is in that picture, but I can hardly see it. That is the most information I could find on myself - and thankfully no address, phone number, or satellite imagery of my two locations since the above picture.
I got the above information using other fingerprints, other than my IP. Using my IP, I surprisingly found less info than that. My IP does show a location, but thankfully, the location is wrong.
Next, I tracked someone I know online, who purchased very expensive IP hiding software. I didn't have their IP. I wanted to see if IP hiding software provides enough real security to be worth the big stash of money it costs to purchase.
It took me about 2 minutes to find other fingerprints left by this person on the net, besides their fake IP addresses.
Off of those fingerprints, it took me all of 30 seconds to get this:
[aerial view of Elena's neighborhood]
This is their current neighborhood, where they currently live.
But it gets worse... Here is their house:
[close up arial view with arrow pointing to house]
This cute house is nestled nice and comfy on [name of Elena's street]. I of course will not mention country, state, town, or other information, in respect of this person's privacy, as per the Golden Rule.
This is their house. Other arial satellite views showed that they have nice trees in the backyard, which helps to block the big black top parking lot behind their home.
From that point, it would only take a few clicks to find out this person's main source of income, where that person lives, their current phone number, the job location of the primary breadwinner in their family, etc. I would even be able to find out how much their house is worth - just in a matter of seconds.
I'm not a hacker, and I was able to find the satelite imagery in just minutes.
Please be warned! IP hiding software does little to protect you. Also, many people think that IP hiding software can help them get access to websites that specifically banned them (which is a form of stealing, and is highly unethical). Yet, there are ways to grab hardware fingerprints from their computer, and block them that way.
Thus, IP hiding software can end up being all but useless. And cost a lot of hard earned money. :-(
The funny thing about that whole episode is that Elena bought IP hiding software because Candy kept blocking Elena from reading her blog. Elena does not necessarily blog "anonymously" and even admitted so on her blog, so using the software to hide her own identity wasn't the point. It was simply so she could continue to access Candy's blog. Besides proving what poor character she has, Candy also showed us how dense she is. That's what I find so funny. Mensa material? Naaaah.
A while back, she mentioned that she has ankle zipper boots that she wears when she goes out. It sounded like she has no other shoes. :?
She said before that she only wore combat boots. Now, I'd like to see that with a dress!
You can wear a scarf in your hair, but don't dare add a ribbon. Or, heaven forbid, pearls.
Amanda, thanks for the heads up.
I am constantly mystified by people who claim that all of us are anonymous and hiding. Some are, but many aren't!
Another note on Broider/Braid:
Broider comes from Anglo-French, "brouder", and means to ornament with needlework. "Broidered" hair and "embroidered" sound alike, but have different meanings and different origins.
Braid means to plait, to weave with three strands (especially hair) and comes from old English "bregdan" (according to Merriam Webster_
A "plait" is a braided pigtail, it comes from the Latin word that means "to fold".
"plegma" means plait of hair - a braid.
Now, the word "broidERed" appears in the decorative needlework sense in the KJV OT, but "broided" appears just once - regarding women's hair. Almost all other translations render it "braided", but of course in Candyland those are all written by apostates trying to destroy the Christian faith. (How does one apostasize from self-revelation, anyway?)
BTW, 1 Tit 2:9 should be understood in context, along with verses such as 1 Pet. 3:3. The whole issue is not how you wear your hair, but your inner disposition.
kay. Nuf Bible talk for now. Sorry to hijack the comments, Matt (ok, not really. The apologies just for show.)
Oh, Amanda, you should have kept reading today's comments. You'd have come across this gem:
May I ask one question on how you handle a certain aspect of your dress? I noticed, on Tuesday's dress, that the top is very sheer. You can see through it in parts. What do you do about this? Do you wear an undergarment or don't worry about it or what?
And, you CAN see undergarments through the dress.
FWIW, that was me that posted that. I saw that picture each time I went onto the site and it just seemed ironic that we are supposed to dress modestly (which I agree with) but you could see her bra. I was trying to point that out and hoping that the 3 bra shots were actually an undergarment. If not, she needed to be told you could see her underwear. I would tell a total stranger if I could see her underwear (well, not her bra), so I thought I would do it delicately.
I noticed I got no response.
Well, she ignores 99% of all questions asked of her - even the women who pour their heart out.
IMO, she only posted about the braided hair thing because she needed to prove that she knows all about the Bible and of course is not violating its commandments.
I see Candy is continuing the recycling theme with a tour of her HMB today.
She's obviously hoping we'll all get bored and go away, so she can start doing interesting things again.
Anyone want to guess about tomorrow's recycled post? I'm thinking it will be Bible time. How to mark your Bible, or why she's KJV only.
I've read way too many of MinuteMan Erik's rants.
I have to wonder, today she posts the daily schedule. If the kids finish milking the goats or whatever, they get to watch PBS.
PBS is funded by taxpayer dollars. How is it okay to watch taxpayer funded television programming, but not accept WIC, taxpayer funded milk for babies?
And, I think her next rant will be against some other religion - the Hare Krishnas, perhaps - to prove that she doesn't just (bash) reach out to Catholics only.
I'd love to see her take on the Church of Oprah. It'd be ShockTacular Festival of Weird Doctrines!
Milehighmama,
I thought PBS was banned from her house after they showed the gay couples? Guess her views change with the wind!
That she lets them watch PBS cracks me up, b/c it wasn't that long ago that she warned "you have to be careful what you watch on PBS." Yes, you wouldn't want your kids learning something crazy....like tolerance. Or love for all mankind. God forbid.
I also find the HMB tour amusing, b/c a month or two ago, she was going to stop HMBU b/c not that many people seemed interested in it.
Come on, Candy. I already know how to make a HMB. Save my heathen Catholic soul! Tell me again why I'm an aboimation to God and am going to spend eternity burning in the firey pits of hell. Tell me again that my Bible was composed by Satan and written in the blood of a million snakes.
In Denver, there are two PBS stations, ch. 6 and ch. 12
Ch. 12 is almost exclusively funded by the Gay and Lesbian Fund of Something or Other - they run ads for it in between Sesame Street and Clifford the Big Red Dog.
In Houston, our PBS is funded by the 6th Circle of Hell, Chuck E. Cheese.
It's an ADVERTISEMENT, people...
"For extensive help with creating, improving, and implementing your HMB, along with printouts and a sample binder to help give you ideas, be sure to get "The Home Management Binder, The Housewife's Best Friend."
Must be needing a little cash at Candy's house......
I've never commented before, but I must say something about Candy's post today, because it drives me insane! For almost 6 years, I've used a binder for home organization. I really like it, and last winter, I even did a series of posts about how I made it. BUT...I have never claimed, or even insinuated that I invented this concept. I read about it in a book from the early 80s, called "Bonnie's Household Organizer." Flylady has a version that she calls a "control journal." This concept has been around FOREVER. Yet, to listen to Candy, you would think that she invented three-ring binders, and that no one ever thought of actually putting stuff in them until she told them to! She has never once acknowledged that she borrowed this idea from...well, any of the numerous people who came up with it before her. Then, we have to read comments like this:
"Thank you so much for teaching people how to make these binders and how to implement them!! You should teach a class in homemaking!!"
Oh PLEASE!
Finally, I must ask why anyone would buy her e-book when they can get all of the information they need to make a binder from Flylady? Or me even! I won't charge you a dime, and I won't insult you either.
Now I don't have to worry about forgetting things, such as when did I last trim so and so's nails? because it's all in my binder.
For real? I have never once agonized, "Golly, when did I last cut Leah's nails?" I look at them and think, "Gee, they're getting long. I should trim them." Is she serious? Does she really write down when she trims everyone's nails?
Am I alone? Am I the only person who does not document the trimming of nails?
As far as I'm concerned, this is just additional proof she doesn't do all she claims. If she did, she wouldn't have time for such nonsensical crap as writing down the dates of nail trimmings.
THANK YOU HEATHER!!! This is a peeve of mine too. When I first started reading her blog and she did the HMB, I asked if she learned it from Flylady and that it really does work if you follow it. Never showed up and she never responded! That's when I started looking at everything she wrote as misleading.
Amanda,
I thought that at first too. Then I remembered I used Sundays to do that on the kids - before CATHOLIC MASS. So it was done on a routine basis and I didn't have to have a binder to tell me. I don't think she writes it down when she does it, I think she has it scheduled to do it.
Glad you popped out of the woodwork, Heather :)
As I've mentioned on here before, in my earlier, younger, stupider days, I actually bought Candy's HMB book. I promise you, your free tutorial is far better than Candy's book. Her book is poorly written, both in terms of syntax and spelling. Not only that, but the tone of the book is pretty condescending to boot (not that that should surprise anyone here).
I was even more disgusted a year later when I bought the FlyLady book (for about the same price as Candy's, come to think of it), and realized that Candy had done nothing but pass off an old idea as her own (plagerisism, anyone?).
Amanda, I just couldn't keep my mouth shut anymore. I was so frustrated that I was having chest pains.
I thought this posted. If it's a repeat, please fogive me!
I was thinking about this on the way home yesterday and thought it was about time I made a confession...
I've been a Catholic since 1999. Now, a few years ago I started reading Candy and others like her (dresses only, HMB, etc.) I started falling into the dresses only mentality. I began thinking that was how I should dress, that it was the only way to be modest, blah, blah, blah.
Well, one little situation turned that right around for me:
My family and I were on our way out of state for a few days to see family, and on our way we stopped at a fast food restaurant to grab some lunch. I took this opportunity to run to the bathroom. After I came out of the ladies room a lady started following me very closely. While my husband was ordering I had to get something from the car and the lady followed me very closely all the way to the exit. Then she leaned in close to me and whispered that the edge of my skirt had gotten caught in the waist of my panties!!!!!! I was so embarrassed!!!!!!!!!!
Yep, let's just say I think that dresses and skirts can have just as much, if not more, potential to be IMmodest as pants. So, I think my pants are just fine thank you very much!
OK, I have another petty stylistic thing going, too.
What is the overwhelming appeal of the florid Victorian illustrations so many of the Candyite HMB's have?
Is it some kind of appeal to 'genteel living?' The romanticization of times past?
I JUST DON'T GET IT.
Anyone have thoughts on it, or is it just me?
I personally like the vintage artwork, and my husband hates it, so the virtual world is the only place I can get my "fix".
Plus it's generally copyright free.
However, there are some ladies - including links followed from Candy's blog and Ladies Against Feminism - that take it too far, IMO. They buy costume patterns and make Victorian clothes and wear them.
Unfortunately, copying a Victorian picture will not return you to (non-existent) halcyon days where everyone was genteel and ladylike.
Again, just like 1 Pet. 3:3 - it's not the clothes, it's what's inside them.
This is what I'm talking about:
http://homeliving.blogspot.com/
On the other hand, if her lifestyle is such that she can recline in a white lace dress and floral fan, while catching up on correspondence, more power to her.
I've got to unload the dishwasher, wash three loads of laundry, and sort out the playroom, myself.
Is it some kind of appeal to 'genteel living?' The romanticization of times past?
Probably a little of both, with a little, "I want to be like Candy!" thrown in.
As for myself, if I were to have a binder, I'd probably have 50s style illustrations. I have a fascination with that era and a strong desire to be Mrs. Cleaver :) I know the 40s and 50s weren't all that I'm imagining them to be, but I'm okay with the illusion. To my mind, it was a simple, happy time, and what I aspire my life to be.
I assume that it's for similar reasons that they love the Victorian pictures. (Well, and as I mentioned, a strong desire to be "Just like Candy!") They're far too over-the-top for me, but to each his own.
Women wore long dresses all the time then, and stayed home with their families.
I think Candy is a smart person. And I think she may be fighting boredom with this blog and with her pursuit of the HMB and the kombucha and the biblical details. I don't know if a person with her beliefs is supposed to ever feel boredom or admit it to herself, or succumb to it, but it seems like a possibility. (I was bored when I was a SAHM before the internet, but maybe that was a weakness in my character.) I hope she can find a new topic to post on because she's been through her current ones several times. It seems like there would be a limit to how much advice you can give on housekeeping in a small house with small children and hardly any yard. There's always the possibility of more Bible studies I guess.
My favorite is Norman Rockwell. There is just something about his illustrations that I just love.
Amanda, have you been to the HomeEc101 site? Very retro.
I have one Victorian picture on my cover, and I chose it because it went well with the Jane Austen quote, "There is nothing like staying at home for real comfort."
I'm a homebody, so this appeals to me.
In general, I prefer to use pictures of my family, and I also like 40s and 50s images, like Amanda. I guess I don't really care what kind of pictures Candy and her followers use, because that's a matter of personal taste.
I DO care that Candy takes someone else's idea and passes it off as her own.
I looked at some of the links she posted today, including the Prairie Muffin Manifesto.
Prairie Muffins appreciate godly role models, such as Anne Bradstreet, Elizabeth Prentiss and Elisabeth Elliot. They do not idolize Laura Ingalls Wilder (Little House on the Prairie) or Louisa May Alcott (Little Women); while they may enjoy aspects of home life presented in their books, PMs understand that the latent humanism and feminism in these stories and in the lives of these women is not worthy of emulation.
MAYBE I can see "latent feminism" in the Little House books, but Louisa May Alcott?
Prairie Muffins try to maintain a peaceful environment for their families by keeping their voices quiet and their tones gentle as much as possible.
Gentle tones? Gag.
Perhaps Candy needs to read this one more carefully:
Never should the Prairie Muffin haughtily pray, "Thank God I am not like that...(fill in the blank)." Rather, she should always say, "There, but for the grace of God, go I."
She should read this one, as well:
She is able to take responsibility for her actions, and she doesn't cover up her sin when she stumbles.
Highdesert,
I think you may be on to something. I've always thought that the reason so many intelligent women fall into the Biblical Patriarchy movement is similar - these women are at home, but need SOMETHING to stimulate them. Your average suburban housewife's life is boring. Ask me how I know.
So lets add in lots of esoteric Scripture manipulation, making everything you can, making sure you follow the rules better than everything else, and have a handy scapegoat (the men) for bad decisions.
Women can feel superior, yet not take responsibility at the same time.
MHM, I have been to HomeEc 101--it's one of my favorite blogs :)
amanada, I do think there was feminism in the Louisa May Alcott books, mixed in with self-sacrifice. I'm trying to remember something in the Old-Fashioned Girl book. (Also in Eight Cousins when the uncle wouldn't let the heroine wear corsets.)
Oh, and the color coded grid system is a total ripoff of MOTH.
amanada, I do think there was feminism in the Louisa May Alcott books, mixed in with self-sacrifice.
I don't think you have to look very far. Didn't Jo move away from home to try and have a writing career in Little Women?
And Laura didn't want to promise to obey her husband in her wedding vows, though she also said she didn't want the vote. Too much of a tomboy, clearly.
HighDesert, I do believe you're right. It's been a while since I read Eight Cousins.
Heavens to Betsy, what IS the world coming to when a girl isn't permitted to wear a corset!?
THAT'S what I want to hear from Candy....testimony on why she has just decided to become "corsets only." (Except when exercising or motorcylcing, of course.) Think of how a corset would enhance her feminine curves!
I'm sorry, but that whole Prairie Muffin Manifesto thing makes me feel physically ill.
I love Laura Ingalls Wilder, and I will not apologize for it.
I absolutely believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, but I also believe that history and context must be considered when reading it. People like Candy twist, mangle and verse pick to suit their purposes, and it just makes me mad.
Here's a bit from Old-Fashioned Girl:
"...Polly came to know a little sisterhood of busy, happy, independent girls, who each had a purpose to execute, a talent to develop, an ambition to achieve, and brought to the work patience and perseverance, hope and courage. Here Polly found her place at once, for in this little world love and liberty prevailed; talent, energy, and character took the first rank; money, fashion, and position were literally nowhere; for here, as in the big world outside, genius seemed to blossom best when poverty was head gardener. Young teachers, doing much work for little pay; young artists, trying to pencil, paint, or carve their way to Rome; young writers, burning to distinguish themselves; young singers, dreaming of triumphs, great as those of Jenny Lind, and some who tried to conquer independence, armed only with a needle, like poor Jane. All these helped Polly as unconsciously as she helped them, for purpose and principle are the best teachers we can have, and the want of them makes half the women of America what they are, restless, aimless, frivolous, and sick."
And at the end, Maud didn't marry her minister friend but became a "busy, lively spinster".
(It's great to have free books online.)
Seems like there's more feminism in those books than I realized. I guess I wans't looking for it when I read it.
Feminism, in itself, is not bad. Every woman is created with her own unique dignity, and there is nothing wrong with using the gifts and talents God gives you.
The problem comes when people promote the view that men and women are the SAME, or that a woman should do whatever she wants in the name of feminism.
In reality, in our society and families, NO ONE does whatever they want all the time.
Just my little mini rant.
Then again, being a filthy Catholic, we have a rather feministic view of history. In our worldview, the God's most blessed creature was a woman - the Virgin Mary. And our popes tend to write more "On the Dignity of Women" treatises than "Paul is the Most Important Character in the New Testament" documents. So, our theology isn't exactly compatible.
Oh, I think I just figured out why Candy hates nuns so much. It's an entire society of women only, determined to make it on their own, in the service of God.
Independent women finding fulfillment.
I guess I just dont see the feminism in that. I see individuality and living to please oneself. When I think of feminism I think of women who think they should be a man or on the same level as all men not women who take pride in their own individuality and wants.
Dora,
Candy scared the blogger of that site with this:
prayzgod said...
Copyscape.com - Caught.
This comment is to inform you that you are breaking the law. This blog is breaking copyright law.
If the copied content copied from http://myblessedhome.blogspot.com is not promptly removed from this webpage, then I will be left no choice but to file a notice of Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) infringement.
Blogger admin has also been informed of your using their blogspot blog services for illegal purposes.
22 December 2007 14:15
Elena said...
I am not sure, but I think it is not copyright infringement if you properly site your sources. So if you have a link to Candy's blog and say that is where you obtained the post, then it is okay. It is only breaking the copyright if you are using her material as your own, or don't cite your sources.
ps. I am a different Elena
22 December 2007 19:29
prayzgod said...
Take a look at the DMCA. You will be reported if the plagerism persists.
22 December 2007 20:03
Perplexity said...
Plagiarism, as it is correctly spelled, is the taking of someone else's words and presenting them as if they are your own.
According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, to "plagiarize" means
1. to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own
2. to use (another's production) without crediting the source
3. to commit literary theft
4. to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source.
No one here is technically plagiarizing anything; no one claims that anything here is his or her own writing.
The DCMA is not overly concerned with what an individual writes on his or her blog. It exists more for the protection of data and technology, protecting ISP's, licensing, music, encrypted data and the like. I seriously doubt anyone would care about blogger wars. But, it would be interesting to see what happens if you do file a notice. I'd like to see their response.
26 December 2007 09:49
prayzgod said...
Perplexity, it is against the Digital Millenium Copyright Act to copy one's online writings without the originators permission.
26 December 2007 16:57
prayzgod said...
I have no further need to comment here, the situation has been resolved.
I'm sure if this blogger had actually done something wrong that blog would not still be there. Too bad (s)he let Candy get to her/him, though.
In Denver, there are two PBS stations, ch. 6 and ch. 12
Ch. 12 is almost exclusively funded by the Gay and Lesbian Fund of Something or Other - they run ads for it in between Sesame Street and Clifford the Big Red Dog.
MHM,
Are you serious? This really happens? What type of ads do they run? If you are able, leave me a comment on my blog or something - I rarely come by here anymore. Thanks :)
Of course, SCREEN SHOTS are considered to be copyright free for public use.
Just mentioning it.
Also, Fair Use is exempt from copyright law.
Parodies and Satire are generally protected under fair use; also excerpts for non-profit educational use or in the public interest.
Copyright is held by the author; photographic copyright is held by the owner of the camera.
So, we're all good here.
regarding the comments from Candy on the copyofcandyland blog: Candy asserts that it is illegal to copy material, even if the material is attributed. Is she right? Are you ok under copyright (if you attribute) only for small amounts of text?
Oh, I should say also that I was the deleted post a few posts ago. I was writing about a bit I had found that suggests it is legal to copy webpage text if it is attributed, but then I realized it was a Canadian webpage and we have different copyright law in the United States.
It's KBDI, and it's supported by the Gay and Lesbian Fund of Colorado. They just have a blurb at the end of each show saying "This program was brought to you by the Gay and Lesbian Fund of Colorado..." and whatever their motto is.
The same channel has kid's educational shows in the morning, and shows like "Colorado OutSpoken" (OUT as in, out of the closet), along with the typical "Antiques Roadshow" and nature shows.
I'll copy and paste this on your blog, Mrs. Butler.
in the evening.
Feminism is great. It gives women A CHOICE to be a stay-at-home mom (or wife), or to be a career woman. It also give her husband that choice! I have several friends who are stay-at-home Dads and they are great! Some dads make better stay-at-home parents than their wives do. Thank God for the feminists. Candy and her little minions should give them credit for being able to choose the lifestyle they enjoy.
LOL I find it funny in todays post she says she was a "health nut". If I remember correctly she was a mountain dew addict and loves taco bell. I can remember one post when she mentions she went to taco bell twice in one day...for lunch and dinner.
Candy asserts that it is illegal to copy material, even if the material is attributed. Is she right? Are you ok under copyright (if you attribute) only for small amounts of text?
It can be fuzzy. What copyofcandlyland was doing was in the "nudging towards illegal" edge, since all they were doing was copying whole blog posts, rather than quoting her posts in order to refute them, section by section, like Visits to Candyland and Coffee With Candy do.
Criticism comes under "fair use," whereas wholesale copying and pasting does not, although it is doubtful if Candy would get anywhere were she to sue, since it would be difficult to prove that she had suffered loss.
Thanks, Rosamundi. I have never understood the gray area of copyright law (since I have never had to worry about it). I know about the criticism and parody/satire clauses, but this was a strange situation because the material was attributed, yet it was an outright (and admitted) copy. Thank you!
Oh, yesterday's post is updated again, with pictures of embroidered hair!
Whee!
I just love how she is refuting comments made here - even though she doesn't read over here.
Yes, there were comments about "thanks for letting us know we can braid our hair", but I really think the extra notes, and now pictures have more to do with the comments on THIS blog and not KTH blog.
I'm glad CajunChic is here to teach me that not all Christian, dresses-only moms are whackos, even if they're from the south. I swear if it weren't for her I would have formed my very opinionated opinion by now. But she's been fun, and insightful, and not at all judgmental.
Just had to say that.
:)
I want to give props to CajunChic, too, since Sweeping started it. When I saw she participated in the "Week of Dresses", I was skeptical, but when I got to her blog, I really liked it! She's definately NOT a Candy kind of Christian. She's funny and nice. Yay for normal, dress wearing Christians :)
BTW, Sweeping, is Mandy your real name? (And if it's not, I don't need to know your real name, I'm just curious.)
What?
Mandy and Derik would never lye abowt inny detale of there lives. Sham on ewe for evun theenking it.
Sweeping, MHM is rite. It wuz jist plane unkrishjun of me to insinueight that ur naym wuz fayk.
Beecuz I am nothun but a heethun Cathulick, I will rusch to cunfeshun and beg for furgivness.
Aww thanks guys. That is so sweet.
I just posted a note to Candy telling her that I did not feel that the verse was meant to say that wearing your hair like the first picture is wrong but that your inward beauty should be such that it outshines any outward adorning. Who wants to bet it will not get posted?
Cajun, how dare you question the wisdom of Candy?
Seriously, though, I can't believe that anyone believes that the Lord really cares whether or not you put ribbons and gems in your hair. I mean, sure, if it went to your head, and you were like, "Look at my pretty hair; I'm SO much better than you," then, yes, that would be wrong. But clearly, the issue is in the demeanor, not the hair. And there are just as many "Christian" women who have that same attitude: "Look at my modest dress and lack of makeup. I'm a better Christian than you."
As long as you're not falling out of your top or wearing something so tight you can't breathe, does it really matter? Certainly, if you feel convicted to wear dresses, by all means do so. If you feel that ribbons in your hair is too ostentacious (sp?) for you, don't wear them. But don't judge me b/c I choose to wear jeans and ribbons.
Honestly, I think the Lord has more important things to worry about than whether or not I wear dresses or braid ribbons through my hair. I think God cares far more about my attitude than my attire.
Especially in light of Candy's assertion that headbands, barrettes, etc. are perfectly fine.
Are we really to believe that St. Paul arbitrarily has decreed that you can wear pearls in your hair, UNLESS it is braided? That he had no problem with women showing up in combs or tiaras, just so long as there's no braiding going on as well?
Again, the point of the Scripture is not that a Christian can't braid their hair, wear gold, and so on, but rather that one should show humility and avoid pride.
One's inner demeanor should be the focal point of beauty.
But, I'm just a filthy Cathlick, to of course I know nothing about the Bible.
Cajunchic, she did post your comment!
I would be screwed, since just about every time I've been in or to a formal event, such as a wedding or other formal kind of party, like my in-law's 50th (even though they were married in a Catholic Church and it doesn't really count), my hair has been adorned much like the first picture. I hate having my hair done or messed with by anyone, but when an up do is appropriate, I am incapable of anything fancy and that kind of braid with adornments is about the most I can tolerate to have others do for me.
I find it interesting that, yet again, she has taken HER interpretation - and definitions - and turned it into a way of life. I agree with the others who say that verse means your outside shouldn't outshine your inside.
I just wanted to note that she is boring the pants off me lately. I just read here and don't bother even hitting her page unless I read something here that leads me back there, like checking out the braid pictures. I didn't even go there today because the home management binder gets on my last nerve. It's not a new or original idea, as many have stated. It's her way of trying to con people out of money and waste space on her blog. Who the heck needs a book to tell them the last time they clipped their kid's nails? If they're long, clip them. My grandma raised 5 kids in the 1940's-1960's and never had any book to keep her straight. She was fully capable of doing it all on her own, and that was in the age of few modern conveniences. I'm not saying a bit of written organization can't be helpful - when I was in school, I had several calendars and organizers in order to keep me straight. But, I don't see at all how that binder is necessary. I don't mean to say anything about those who use them, or something like them, I just don't get her total and complete reliance on it. For all the time she spends updating that thing and changing things, think of how much could actually be accomplished!
Anyway, about the boredom. I don't believe for a second that it will last. She's saving up for some doozies, I'm sure. I'm just curious how many of her followers are even interested in seeing her binder 10 times a year when she does that crap to fill time and space? She must not have a very high opinion of those that read her blog, because everything along the lines of her dress, home tour, and binder posts have been done and done again numerous times in the last year alone. When she can't even keep the hecklers interested, she is either desperate or too ignorant to care.
Ditto to those who have said that the constant binder posts (and adoration of the followers on such) and condescending tone are really annoying.
MileHi, I would love for you to ask her about the difference between broider and broid on her new post (btw, thanks for teaching me the difference!).
I don't dare comment because she'll ban me, I'm sure!
Besides, why comment THERE when I can comment HERE, she'll still see it, and so will several of her readers?
Disclaimer: I am not a Scripture expert.
But I can use a Greek interlinear and a concordance, which makes me more of an expert than... ahem. Some other people.
Then again, I have FOUR different places that I can access the internet, so my IP's are probably all mixed up anyway.
Whoo Hoo! Now we have a note, pictures of broided hair AND a Dake Study Bible Reference!
But wait, didn't Candy NOT like Dake? Didn't she say something like
Does not make one doubt God’s Word, however has some serious doctrinal errors, such as the Dake teaching on the trinity
http://myblessedhome.blogspot.com/2008/04/ive-been-researching-different-bibles.html
So her "authority" on broided/braided/ribbons/coins is a study guide that can't even get the foundational Christian doctrine of the TRINITY right?
Um. Okay then. I'll stick with 2000 years of theologians and scholars, thank you very much.
Anyone else have a historical reference for citizens in the first century making TEMPLES out of gum in their hair? Cuz that sounds straight out of Marie Antoinette to me - 16 centuries later.
::waves::
Hi Candy!
Keep on thinking that your WORK of not wearing ribbons in hair makes you better! We all have to cling to something.
Hmmm. Does she have permission to leach Dream Weaver Braiding's bandwidth by hotlinking to images on that site?
Theft, even with attribution, is still stealing, and if she is reproducing images without permission, she is guilty of breaching copyright.
I'm shocked. I'd be appalled as well, but I'm too tired to summon the energy.
The author of the hairbraiding site says that someone may use the images IF they get prior permission and give proper attribution.
Candy did give attribution, but I wonder if she really did request permission from the copyyright holder in advance?
Keep on thinking that your WORK of not wearing ribbons in hair makes you better! We all have to cling to something.
Ha! That always cracks me up. Her obsession with Catholics being wrong about their salvation because of the whole concept of works, yet, what does she do to make herself a better Christian (supposedly) and earn herself more rewards in heaven? Dresses only, only one bible is correct (in fact, I'd say she somewhat worships that KJV bible), being a "keeper of the home", home schooling, Church attending several times on Sunday, submission to her husband, having been baptized...what else am I missing? Oh, yeah, evangelizing to Catholics because she wants to save them out of her "love". All this stuff she does, or doesn't do, in the name of her Christianity. Why bother if one needs do nothing more than accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior?
I know this subject has been done to death at VTC, because I've read the conversations. But, I always have to chuckle because looking at it from my perspective, which is not as a Catholic and not even a Christian by the standard definition of the word, I don't look at doctrine, the Catholic Church or the bible. I simply look at it from right here as someone who sees they hypocrisy hundreds of miles away without any kind of filter. And, no, I am not saying it is wrong to look at it through the filter of your belief or church. I am just saying that since I don't, I can't and won't go that route, in terms of explanation. I only see someone jumping through hoops to convince (herself?) people that Catholics are not saved because they pay any kind of attention to works, yet she is a good, true Christian because of the things she does, or doesn't do.
I, personally, think God has much bigger things to worry about than what women wear and many other things that Candy believes are necessary to being a "good" Christian.
It gets fuzzy, I think, for people such as Candy when they cross that line and decide that the bible is to be literal. Yet, they obviously cannot even reconcile that belief with reality because if the bible is literal, it is ALL literal. But, I haven't seen or heard about Candy stoning any adulterer's, or rape victims for not crying out, in the street lately as it says to do in Deuteronomy.
I know everyone here has different beliefs about the bible, etc. I'm good with that. I'm making these statements based on my belief that the bible is not the literal, infallible word of God and that it is not now and never was meant to be taken literally.
Does anyone else find it odd that she had to go to a BRAIDED website to find BROIDED hair pics?
I googled broided hairstyles on images and did not find anything.
Barb, that only shows how ignorant the world is. Clearly, Candy is just smarter than those silly websites.
Candy says: No, broidered hair means the same thing, basically, as the word "embroidery," except the embroidery is in the hair, instead of on cloth.
Barettes and pins would not be considered broidered hair. Broided hair is when the hair is weaved into a type of braid, with the jewels and ribbons and such weaved within the braid itself.
For example, if you braid your hair, but as you're braiding it, you are adding in a string of pearls, and all sorts of ribbons of gold and silver, then you are broiding your hair.
Broided hair was the common way women used to show off their hair in those days.
We don't tend to broider our hair much these days.
At one point she says broidered hair and then she says broided hair. Does she not realize these are 2 separate words?
broi·der (broidr)
tr.v. broi·dered, broi·der·ing, broi·ders
To ornament with needlework; embroider.
[Alteration (influenced by Middle English broiden, braided) of Middle English brouderen, from Old French brosder, brouder; see embroider.]
broider·y n.
Broid - v. t. 1. To braid.
So, all the Greek theologians and dictionaries are wrong, but Candy is absolutely, positively right???
Barb, of COURSE Candy is right. She has a GIFT from the HOLY SPIRIT for Bible interpretation. How DARE you question her wisdom?
(I do hope you hear the heavy dose of sarcasm that is intended.)
Yet, to listen to Candy, you would think that she invented three-ring binders, and that no one ever thought of actually putting stuff in them until she told them to!
Of course she invented the home management binder! Didn't you read the post? She clearly explains in the first paragraph how it began as a journal when she was a teenager, and expanded through her married life until it exists in its current form today.
There is no mention of her gleaning ideas from home management books, nor do home management books ever appear on her sidebar.
The entire thing is her idea, and her idea alone. It was not tainted by the ideas of others.
...and, if you keep with the same interpretation, barrettes etc. are okay as long as they do not have pearls or gold.
Wonder if faux is okay?
I only see someone jumping through hoops to convince (herself?) people that Catholics are not saved because they pay any kind of attention to works, yet she is a good, true Christian because of the things she does, or doesn't do.
Indeed. The thing that gets me about Candy (one of the many things, actually), is her refusal to believe that Catholics perform works of mercy because the Holy Spirit indwelling in us compels us to do them out of love of God ("Whatsoever you did to one of these in my Name, you did to me," and all that).
No, when we feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, visit the imprisoned, etc, it's "works righteousness" and we're doing it to try and earn our way in to Heaven. Yet when People Like Her™ do it, it's because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and shows she's a Proper Christian.
Anyways, I wanted to comment on your comment about the beads in hair. I attend a very diverse church and I have many friends who are black. We also have many interracial families in our community. I can say without question that the way they care for thier hair is of utmost importance to them. It is not for practical reasons and that is why you will see many low income families that spend incredible amounts of money to have their children's hair done. They can be poorly dressed but their hair is VERY important to them. For instance, one of our friends (she's caucasian) and her husband (he's african) adopted his neice from the Republic of Congo. My girlfriend is very plain jane and not at all one to fuss over hair. When they received this child from Congo . She was two. They cut her hair fairly short and it always looks neat and clean and her mother tends to it with a headband mostly. She has received much criticism from women in the black community over the lack of style or "heritage" in her daughter's hair. However, in Africa, the community she came from doesn't do half the things to their hair that black women here do. Yet they see it as a very cultural and prideful thing. I just wanted to share that.
OK, this is from one of our commenters here, MMM. I have to ask - this two year old who was "received" (what the hell kind of way is that to describe the adoption of a child...but I won't go there) she had "she came with the most ridiculous looking extensions all over..." Later, you go on to say that "However, in Africa, the community she came from doesn't do half the things to their hair that black women here do."
So, she had ridiculous extensions, but apparently they didn't come from her African community in the Congo?
And, I think you're quite wrong to begin with. With black women, hair is part of their identity. Whether they are from Africa, the US or anywhere else, their hair plays a very huge role in how they see themselves and how they identify themselves. The adornments in their hair are not at the expense of other things. Like everyone else, they budget it into their expenses, and just because it takes precedence over things you may put higher on the list of priorities does not mean what you imply that it means.
You say you live in a racially mixed area...I wonder how you judge those people of your community to their faces. If you pass judgment on people because of their hair, maybe you should just move to a community with all white people who braid, not broider, their hair.
Our Family, are you sure it was not posted? B/c I read a comment VERY similar to what you just posted this morning. In fact, I was going to post it here. I'm at work, so I can't get to her page now, but it was there an hour ago. Something to the effect of, "the fact that you wear pants sometimes proves that it's not wrong....it's more modest to wear pants than a dress on a motorcycle...." etc... Basically what you just posted. So either yours got through, or you have a mental-twin out there somewhere :)
Yes, Amanda, it finally got posted. Thanks for pointing it out.
Kari your comment was posted. I read it last night and went to your proverbs 31 page from it.
The talk of black hair made me think of this, very timely, post on a blog I just found
http://tinyurl.com/57qadd
Make sure to watch the video she links. It's only 2 or 3 minutes, and it's pretty interesting.
Tia,
You commented on my comment -
my comment on Candy's blog:
"Anyways, I wanted to comment on your comment about the beads in hair. I attend a very diverse church and I have many friends who are black. We also have many interracial families in our community. I can say without question that the way they care for thier hair is of utmost importance to them. It is not for practical reasons and that is why you will see many low income families that spend incredible amounts of money to have their children's hair done. They can be poorly dressed but their hair is VERY important to them. For instance, one of our friends (she's caucasian) and her husband (he's african) adopted his neice from the Republic of Congo. My girlfriend is very plain jane and not at all one to fuss over hair. When they received this child from Congo . She was two. They cut her hair fairly short and it always looks neat and clean and her mother tends to it with a headband mostly. She has received much criticism from women in the black community over the lack of style or "heritage" in her daughter's hair. However, in Africa, the community she came from doesn't do half the things to their hair that black women here do. Yet they see it as a very cultural and prideful thing. I just wanted to share that."
Your comment:
"OK, this is from one of our commenters here, MMM. I have to ask - this two year old who was "received" (what the hell kind of way is that to describe the adoption of a child...but I won't go there) she had "she came with the most ridiculous looking extensions all over..." Later, you go on to say that "However, in Africa, the community she came from doesn't do half the things to their hair that black women here do."
So, she had ridiculous extensions, but apparently they didn't come from her African community in the Congo?
And, I think you're quite wrong to begin with. With black women, hair is part of their identity. Whether they are from Africa, the US or anywhere else, their hair plays a very huge role in how they see themselves and how they identify themselves. The adornments in their hair are not at the expense of other things. Like everyone else, they budget it into their expenses, and just because it takes precedence over things you may put higher on the list of priorities does not mean what you imply that it means.
You say you live in a racially mixed area...I wonder how you judge those people of your community to their faces. If you pass judgment on people because of their hair, maybe you should just move to a community with all white people who braid, not broider, their hair."
Tia,
Let me give you a little background because your comments on my comment are so ridiculous. You make assumptions that are without merit - why would you do that? Assumptions are foolishness when they aren't based in fact. Just in looking for something to complain about you pick apart my wording of "when they received her"... that's is exactly what they did. They RECEIVED their niece. Kizombo went all the way to Congo and left his 9 months pregnant wife at home with their 2 children to "receive" her. Why don't you "go there" about what is so wrong about that. Kizombo's niece had been abandoned by her mother and the family asked them to take her. They were happy to do so and spent a great deal of money and time to make it possible to adopt her. The Republic of Congo isn't in the business of adopting children out to the US. It only happened because this was an in-family adoption. Why don't you spend some time reading adoption stories "get him/her" or "received him/her" are commonly used phrases by adoptive parents.
As for the extensions, that is the exact wording of the parents and of other members of our black community here. Two year olds in America don't get their hair done like that. In Africa, the women don't do to their hair what black Americans do to their own, at least not in the area where this child is from. The girls who "prepared" her for her adoption asked her father for money to get her hair done, it was a terrible mess and needed to be taken care of before she traveled home. Her dad payed the girls (family) to take her to have it done. When they brought her back he didn't want to offend them as he had paid $40+ for this hairstyle and he recognized it was an earnest effort to care for her as that community in Congo thought would be in line with the way black women in America do their hair. The African community that she came from doesn't fuss over their hair. They keep it very simple. They were going by what they see in black Americans and just assumed it was also appropriate for a child. It did look crazy. This child had a massive head of crazy extensions, it took hours to remove them all. They drove her crazy.
Actually, in my 50% black church community that I referenced, there is no secret that they feel as if their hair is of great importance to them. It is considered shameful to let it just be natural. That is why Carrie has received so much criticism over her daughters simple hairstyle that is adorable and clean and easy to care for. There are many women who acknowledge that even in the lower class communities, welfare recipients and such, that they will do whatever they can to make sure their hair is "done". A very good friend of mine is an evaluator with Friend of the Court, she sees this problem all the time. Daddies complain that they take care of their kids hair or buy them expensive shoes and the court does not recognize that as a part of support. It is a constant battle as fathers want credit towards such expenses that are considered "gifts" for their child and they don't qualify as true support.
Do I live in a racially mixed community? Maybe somewhat - but I don't judge anyone by their hair styles or skin color. I judge people by their character. It irritates the hell out of me that you'd insinuate that I am racist in any way. If I wasn't comfortable being with people of different ethnicities I surely would not CHOOSE to worship in the most racially diverse church in this side of Michigan. I love my church, I love the people.
Kaira,
You go girl!
Does anyone else think that "pat" showed up all of a sudden and magically fit the bill is a little off? I will say honestly I never had told my kids to keep their hair simple for spiritual reasons. I just find that so funny. And, pat has no web address.
I haven't posted here in awhile. Things were getting too intense for me, so unlike some people, I have totally enjoyed Candy's reprieve. My brain has been at peace. :) (Although, I have learned not to be naive and think she's abandoned her crusade- it's just a quiet time right now.)
Anyway, I read Kaira's comment over at KTH, and for a brief second I probably had an eyebrown half-raised, but then realized I don't know the whole story, and I don't live in a very diverse community at all, so I have no grounds to think anything.
I just read a comment by a girl named Lindsay at KTH where she says that obvious highlights are not ok. I am in my 30's and have been going through some prematurely graying, just like my dad did. For the past couple years, I have had my hair highlighted (my hair is brown and they are very noticeable blonde highlights to camouflage the gray). When it's time to get my hair done, I usually tighten up the belt on the food budget- I cook everything- no takeout. We tithe and contribute to charities, so I don't feel I'm being selfish or unchristian. I'm not trying to attract attention, just not look like I'm ten years older than I really am. :)
Angie, you may not be trying to attract attention, but you are clearly guilty of pride and vanity. Tsk, tsk.
Oho, yah. So she don't waste ANY money and ALL that she has extra she gives willingly to her church? Right! Everyone wastes money in some form or fashion - gum, breath mints, candy. I tithe my portion and then I know I have made my contribution and the rest is in the budget.. and yes.. I waste money too!
I wonder how much time spent on your hair is too much time??? Seems braiding it would be fussing with it.. and therefore.. displeasing. Insane!
Amanda, call me vain! LOL Sorry, I want to look good for myself, my husband and my family. Now, if i was spending all our hard-earned cash because i was getting facials and cuts and highlights and low lights and perms and styles to keep up with the Jones's.. yah.. God may not like that!
Maybe that is works when you work too hard at looking nice.
I am in my 30's and have been going through some prematurely graying, just like my dad did.
Now, I really don't care if you dye your hair. But I wanted to say that I think it's really funny that every woman I meet who dyes their hair said that they had to, because they started going gray in their 30's.
I've decided that's just the normal time to start going gray, but no one realizes it, because everyone dyes their hair.
luz- you could be right. :)
Well, Kiara, assumptions are foolish. But, if there is more information and more to the story, how can you blame someone for misinterpreting what you say, or your intentions, when half the story is left out? I am not a mind reader, so given that assumptions are pretty much the only options. It is the responsibility of the speaker (writer) to clarify information so listeners/readers do not get the wrong impression. If one says or writes something that is not clear, it is not up to the recipient of the message to sort out the details. The fact that the Congo doesn't "do" adoptions is irrelevant. I won't "go there" on the way you phrased that she was "received" because regardless of how agencies or whoever make that statement, I personally think it is offensive and depersonalizes the child and the whole process.
Two, in regards to the two year old, what, ultimately, did that have to do with Candy's post? A child, with no control over a situation, ends up with a hairstyle not liked or wanted by adoptive parents. Is someone at fault, or is it simply a situation with a matter of taste? Given that the one with the extensions was two years old, I see no connection to Candy's post.
I don't necessarily think black women think their natural hair is shameful either, but since I am not a black woman I cannot speak for them. I can, however, say that from those I know, it's not shame that leads them to change their hair, it is programming and desire. But, aren't we all programmed to do such things? And, don't we all desire to look and feel good about ourselves? Sure, there are "lower class" people, as you call them, who have their priorities screwed up. But, that is the case regardless of skin color or hair texture.
My point is, you were attempting to make some kind of point but I don't think you were clear at all as to what you wanted to say because you know what? You DID come off sounding racist. Maybe if you chose your words more carefully, you wouldn't continually feel the need to clarify and explain yourself. This is not the first time you have come across with having one message but have to turn around and give a lengthy explanation for what you say was your intended message.
This isn't really "on topic" but something that I've been wondering, relative Candy. I know we have many non-Catholic Christians here, and I'm hoping perhaps one of them can explain it to me.
Candy says that the KJV is the only "real" Bible b/c the translators were inspired. I asked once, quite genuinely, and not rudely, if the Holy Spirit could inspire the KJV translators, then couldn't it also inspire the NIV/NASB/etc... translators. Of course it was never posted or responded to.
Another time I asked if it was better to believe that KJV was best, but not read it b/c you couldn't understand it or to read some other version regularly. Again, not posted.
Here's my stance: As Christians, we believe that God can do all things. So isn't silly to believe that the Holy Spirit can ONLY speak to us through a KJV? Isn't kinda silly to claim that any Bible that dares to spell "Savior" w/o the "u" is sacreligious? To me, it seems like it's better to read ANY bible than NO bible. I'm not sure Candy feels the same way.
If I were truly reading a flawed Bible, couldn't God find a way to get that message to me and inspire me to read another version?
Of course, I also asked her once, not quite so innocently, that if the KJV was written at a 5th grade level, then was she also planning to teach her kids Shakespeare in 5th grade?
I was an English major. I'm not a moron. I may not be MENSA material, but I think I'm a fairly intelligent person. I've read Shakespeare--with great effort. Were it not required for school, I wouldn't have forced myself through it. I can never manage more than a page or two of the KJV; I spend so much time trying to understand what I've just read, I inevitably get a headache and give up.
For once, I genuinely mean no disrespect to Candy. I just truly do not understand why the KJV has to be the ONLY bible. I don't understand why ONLY the KJV translators were inspired. I don't understand why God can ONLY speak to me through the KJV.
And most of all, I do not understand what the big deal is about damn "u".
I once read somewhere (probably at one of the Catholic bogs) that the only translation of the bible that matters is the one between the bible and the reader. Or, something to that effect.
I agree with the sentiment entirely, even if I got the quote wrong, which I am sure I did.
I would be very interested to read opinions to your questions though. I hope someone, or a few someone's, here have input.
The "u" thing is Candy's version of Christian numerology. Saviour has 7 letters, 7 is the number of perfection/completion in the Bible, and 6 is the number of imperfection and man.
HENCE (I threw that in just for youse guys!), 7 lettered spelling is better than 6. Works won't save you, but counting how many letters are in a translation of a word will apparently help.
I'm Catholic, so I won't "go there" re: the KJV. Although I would like to know why if the original 1611 KJV contained the deuterocanonical (apocryphal, Candy calls them) books, then why does she reject those books.
I'd REALLY like to know what Candy thinks about people who can't read at ALL. Which is one reason Catholics have stained glass windows, pictures, statues, etc. It's a good thing Sola Scriptura came along AFTER the printing press was invented.
Oh, milehimama, don't confuse anyone with historical fact.
In 1611 the only perfect English language bible was authorized by the King of England. Thus, from that point on, everyone in the world who spoke English had a perfect bible. Before that is irrelevant. The majority of people who didn't read, or have money for a bible, are not part of this equation.
Bringing things like historical fact into this just proves that you're a filthy Catholic and are not a true Christian.
I like to think of it as the "Athena" bible. It sprung from the King James court fully formed.
I bet that pagan reference goes right over her head.
I think at one point Candy said that before printing presses many people were copying the Bible by hand and reading the copies. This was back when she was doing a chapter by chapter review of some article or book about the Bible from the Jack Chick website.
Yeah, well, those people were called MONKS and they were Catholic.
I just want to clarify a couple of things - this commentary is really long, over 300 posts!
I like Homeliving Helper. I link to her on my sidebar. I'm just slightly astounded that she sews her own white Victorian lace costumes and wears them.
I'm not against people being dresses only, but to claim women MUST wear dresses only, by saying pants are mens clothes is just lazy exegesis, and ridiculous.
My kids watch PBS.
I posted the comment as requested on Mrs. Butler's blog, but to date is has not been published.
I totally rip off the MOTH system too, using Excel; however, I don't try to sell it and claim it's my own idea nor do I post it on my blog.
I made my own yogurt. And then USED IT TO BAKE WITH.
:::AAIIIEE:::: the horror!
That is all.
I have wondered on the KJV only thing for a while. I have a few translations...KJV, NKJV (my fave), NLT, children's bibles and a paraphrased children's bible (that was mine when I was growing up), NIV, and our oldest has an NIrV. I remember her once saying on her blog that the KJV was the only inspired ENGLISH translation. Which I thought it was rather strange that she would post that. The Bible wasn't originally written in English, it was Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and possible Arabic. Are we to assume that the KJV is more inspired than the original? Are we also to assume that it could be equal when there many nationalities in this world? I just think it is rather arrogant (for a lack of a better word) to believe that. If I was Chinese and a Christian I would surely hope and believe that my Chinese translation of the Bible was the inspired word of God. I would also like to know how many different language bibles are translated from the KJV.
So apparently, according to Candy's commenters, I am vain and wasteful because I spend $8 on a box of hair color each month. WHATEVER! I think of it as taking care of what God gave me. It is the same logic as why I spend money on a gym membership each month. God did give me this body or hair to let it go to pot. I have to take care of it and nurture it so it can be the best it can be.
Sorry that should be God did NOT give me this body or hair to let it go to pot. lol
To get technical about broided hair or plaiting of the hair.... Using the Stong Concordane
4117. plegma (pleg'-mah)
4118 >>
braided hair
πλÎγμασιν
From pleko; a plait (of hair) -- broidered hair.
see GREEK pleko
πλÎγμασιν (plegmasin) − 1 Occurrence
4120. pleko (plek'-o)
4121 >>
braid, weave, plait
πλÎξαντες
A primary word; to twine or braid -- plait.
πλÎξαντες (plexantes) − 3 Occurrences
PLAIT, n. [Gr. to twist.]
1. A fold; a doubling; as of cloth.
It is very difficult to trace out the figure of a vest through all the plaits and folding of the drapery.
2. A braid of hair; a tress.
PLAIT, v.t. To fold; to double in narrow streaks; as, to plait a gown or a sleeve.
1. To braid; to interweave strands; as, to plait the hair.
2. To entangle; to involve.
BRAID, v.t. [Old Eng. brede.]
1. To weave or infold three or more strands to form one.
2. To reproach. [See Upbraid.]
BRAID, n. A string, cord or other texture, formed by weaving together different strands.
1. A start.
So Candy is wrong. It is wrong according the bible to braid your hair. That is, if you want to get technical.
While I do read only the KJV, I know any version can and will be used by God to get to its reader.
Are modest feminine women supposed to carry something as manly and ungentle as loaded handguns in their purses? (I saw a news article tonight about the anti-gay state rep that Candy likes.)
(I don't think Candy has done a post on purses yet: style, contents, how to clean.)
Part of what I posted on braid/broid was also from the Websters 1828 dictionary.
Amanda, about the KJV only thing, I have wondered this as well. I asked, flat out, why she didn't use the 1500's version Geneva Bible as it's the older and probably more reliable choice given her circumstances. I received no reply. I wonder if she knows about it.
KJV is a nice read. It sounds much more fluid and poetic. But it's NOT the original text, therefore it's not the ONLY one that will allow a reader to understand God's meaning and word. To get caught up in that is legalistic and wrong.
Cajun Chic: an $8.00 box of hair color, a gym membership, and stylish and pretty clothes??? Oh the horror!! Yep, you are SO vain and wasterful! Tsk, tsk. Before we know it, you'll be braiding your hair with ribbons and pearls. LOL!! (I do hope that you were able to read the sarcasm in that. Sometimes I'm not as good at sarcasm as I would like to think I am!)
As an aside, I have braided my little girl's hair with little ribbons and such from time to time. I feel like such a sinner. What have I done to my children???
Notice how the ultraconservative Mennonites always braid their little girls' hair. Braided hair is cute but I always found it odd - almost seems as if it's the required hairstyle for all Mennonite girls.
lol Kitkat,
I went so far as to braid my daughters hair in THREE braids and then put them in a bun. I guess I am sinning in triples then.
The "u" thing is Candy's version of Christian numerology. Saviour has 7 letters, 7 is the number of perfection/completion in the Bible, and 6 is the number of imperfection and man.
And remember how she then posted carefully selected entries from online dictionaries to support her claim that savior and saviour had different meanings?
All of the dictionaries had the same two meaning for both words, but she found one which listed them in a different order. Classic Candy move.
Anyone else think this "I'm busy organizing" stuff is Candy trying to kill more time for us to get bored and wander off? I think she's completely at a loss for new writing topics.
"I know, how about Why All Catholiks are hellbound? No. Okay, Why The Catholik Church is the Hor of Babylon! No, I can't do that either. Why Catholiks asinated Gandhi, JFK, and Martin Luther, Jr.?
Darnit! I'll just say I'm busy organizing. I DID just move Goodnite Moon off the bookshelf to make room for my Jack Chick collection . . ."
Candy is not ever going to stop because she likes the attention way too much. I'm sure her mensa wheels are turning. She's probably busy reading this website and VTC, studying the JIL and Jack Chick websites, maybe reading another Dave Hunt novel (because that's all his books are - pure fiction). She'll come up with a real doozy before long. She likes keeping us on the edge of our seats.
BTW, if she's so organized, what's the deal with all the reorganizing she's always doing? Doesn't being organized mean having a place for things and then putting those things back in their places when you're done using them?
BTW, if she's so organized, what's the deal with all the reorganizing she's always doing? Doesn't being organized mean having a place for things and then putting those things back in their places when you're done using them?
I have wondered that, too. Someone posted a comment about it on the HMB post basically pointing out the same thing you did.
I recently went through my house decluttering and organizing, and now I generally keep it that way. I put things where they belong, and if I find something I don't need, I either give it away or toss it, but it isn't something I have to do every week anymore (unless I get a bunch of new stuff).
Sweeping, didn't you read the fascinating HMBU post:
"No one is truly "organized," because order tends to disorder."
Silly girl. If Candy says that no one is truly organized, then it's true.
You know, Sweeping, when you make comments like these, I start to think you've not been keeping up with your KJV. Tsk, tsk.
Seriously, though, I do tend to believe that organization is an on-going task, but for someone who is as good of a house keeper as she is/claims to be, it shouldn't be.
This blog, that is listed on Mandy's blog as an anti-Mandy site:
http://www.homesteadblogger.com/Ajoyfulhomemaker/
She was re-printing some of Candy and Fruity's Catholic articles, and was surprised when she got a lot of challenging comments. Now she says she's taking a blog break, but I see she's completely removed the "cult" category, and the Catholic articles.
Maybe a few of these women have a conscience after all . . .
To add to my earlier comment: it did take me 2 years to feel truly organized in most of my house (my craft stuff is never organized and never will be), and I see that with children, everything is much more difficult. Perhaps Candy means that there is always something new you can do (like get a new bookcase to add to an overflowing one)? Just musing.
And I wanted to say that this place is so interesting. People are usually respectful of other people's ideas, and so many people are very informed and interesting. I am learning so much. I just wish I had the gift of words as so many people here so I could participate more... :-) But I have trouble expressing what I want to say.
"No one is truly "organized," because order tends to disorder."
Ahhh....spoken like a true anti-evolution, young earth, 6-day creationist. It's all part of her agenda.
Milehimama,
I appreciated you sending me that. I've been very busy and hardly online as of late. I did receive your comment and I will publish it. I want to look more into how common that is and get some more information about it. I may even blog on that topic in the future. I have my comments from that blog sent to my personal email but that isn't the email that is connected with that blog. I have many comments to publish. I very rarely delete a comment left to me. In fact, there is one on my last blog I could do without but it is not offensive so it shall stay. I even left CIC's comment on my grammatical error up for all to see :)
To add to my earlier comment: it did take me 2 years to feel truly organized in most of my house (my craft stuff is never organized and never will be), and I see that with children, everything is much more difficult. Perhaps Candy means that there is always something new you can do (like get a new bookcase to add to an overflowing one)? Just musing.
I do understand what you're saying, and I do agree with you. I think my problem, in the case of Candy, is that she's forever organizing. If you're cleaning as regularly as she is (after all, she has the HMB to tell her what to do!), then you shouldn't need to re-organize once a week.
What you say you do and what you really do are different things. She may be saying she is organizing all these areas.. but in fact maybe 1 item in each area really is astray. It just makes her LOOK good to say she is doing all these things.
On the other hand, after Hurricane Rita we lost our house. My husband converted a portable building into a house - 5 of us in 480 sq feet. So it was cramped and stuff was... well.. there was no room for stuff so I was constantly picking things up and organizing. Our current home is 2480 sq feet and met me tell you... it's so much easier to keep things organized when you have the room for all your stuff :)
I am curious to know if her children get daily time with their parents that don't involve cleaning, cooking, shopping and quiet time.
I am curious to know if her children get daily time with their parents that don't involve cleaning, cooking, shopping and quiet time.
I don't know about daily, but she does mention "family fun time" on her schedule, plus the park, and taking the kids to play outside.
Clearly, their lives are very structured, and they spend a lot of time entertaining themselves
Good point, Amanda.
Rachel, I can only imagine how tough it was to keep things organized in that situation. wow.
Oh, honest to Pete.
Another "Praise Party" tonight. More e-maginary salvations from more e-maginary people.
Can someone PLEASE tell me how "the Lord has really moved" in an e-maginary environment. Seriously.
Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous to think that these 'salvations' are real?
Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous to think that these 'salvations' are real?
No, you are not the only one. I not only think they are ridiculous, I also think they are a waste of time and energy. Personally, I've never been a chat room kind of person so admittedly I am coming from a somewhat biased perspective. The real time of chat, etc. irritates me and I have no patience for it.
But, that aside, she really creeps me out. Honest to goodness, she makes my hair stand on end. Her conviction for some things astounds me, and for other things it amazes me, but almost always it boggles my mind.
Her obsession with these so called praise parties is - I don't know, I am unable to even give it a name or any other description. It's not right, of that much I am certain.
I wonder if any of those supposedly saved souls were people yanking her chain? Afterall, it's not like she was face to face with anyone. She saw an animated character in a virtual, animated "room", "say" a prayer and claim salvation. Anyone can say anything they want but it doesn't count of they don't mean it. And, I wonder, does typing out the salvation prayer count the same as saying it?
I'd bet dollars to donuts someone, or a few someones, decided to mess with the crazy woman.
That's just my take on it. Again, coming from the perspective of someone who is entirely creeped out by the whole concept in the first place.
Her obsession with these so called praise parties is - I don't know, I am unable to even give it a name or any other description. It's not right, of that much I am certain.
I think it just shows how isolated and lonely she is. I don't think she has many real life friends. Actually, she mentioned in one article that she didn't think women should have close friendships, because it takes away from what you give to your family.
I think that incoming bookcase which she awaits with baited breath, is because she read somebody here making fun of her photo of her itty bitty "library." I can see how much she is responding to here and it cracks me up.
The idea that she has been fooled about the 'salvations' is screamingly obvious to me. In some other chat party, someone is laughing about what they got over on the crazy Christians. I don't fault her for the deception, other than the fact that she set up the scene, and is clearly taking untoward pride in what she has 'done.'
And I'd love to know how such an extensive online presence isn't 'taking time away from the family.'
I think it just shows how isolated and lonely she is. I don't think she has many real life friends. Actually, she mentioned in one article that she didn't think women should have close friendships, because it takes away from what you give to your family.
I think you're probably right. And, I find it immensely sad. To have some sort of conviction about how you should live your life that cuts you off from other people is just beyond heartbreaking, really. I can't imagine life without my friends. Then again, I also can't imagine it without my extended family and they've already made it clear that their families of origin are non entities. I just don't understand how anyone can be so involved in a belief system that they do not see how unhealthy it is, how isolating, how incredibly lonely and depressing. This has nothing to do with her Christianity, not at its core; it's her version of Christianity that is isolating her and making this very sad existence, no matter how much she professes otherwise. I know I don't know her, but she gives enough evidence for me to fully stand behind my ideas about her.
Hey, I have my time on the computer too. Normally early in the morning before work and after dinner. Sometimes between work and dinner, depending on who is doing the cooking around here. I also work from home a lot and that allows me a lot of time on the computer to do whatever, or nothing productive while I avoid the work that is to be done (which is exactly what I am doing now; I hate designing business cards with custom logos that I have not created or know how they were created, because they are never created to work so small!) But, never have I used it in place of real, live people. Of spending time with friends and family. My friends are my sanity keepers and they keep me in check and hold nothing back, good or bad. They are the best things that have ever happened to me and I would die for them. Even, and in ways especially, the girl friends I spend time with apart from our husband's and families. And, two of those life saving friends, I met on line before we ever met in person, so I certainly have no issue with on line relationships.
I know that what *I* do, feel about my friends and believe is not a baseline for judgment, but I simply and seriously do not get it. Not at all.
Is she participating in the PrayzParties from some alternate universe? B/c she keeps talking about how much fun it is, but when I was in there Saturday, it seemed very awkward, and not only on my end. I got the distinct impression that ALL of us felt it was very awkward.
Well, except for Candy, who was standing off to the side singing to herself.
Several of us, myself included, tried to strike up a conversation, but each time they fell flat.
I'm not necessarily against chat rooms, just that one. I find it very difficult to follow conversations with those stupid bubbles. And then trying to figure out how to dance and sit (and her "hubby" saying "dance dance dance" all the time to get his Meez to dance)....I just find it all very bizarre.
And for the record, the only one I saw praising God was her, over in the corner, by herself. And I am in no way trying to minimize the Christianity of the others present. But I think most of us realized it was a little odd to "stand around" shouting, "Hallejluiah!"
Honestly, I find the whole idea of a bunch of people sitting around saying, "God is good! Praise the Lord!" is very odd and slightly creepy to me.
In reading her comments, I am positive that "heron" (which I always read as "heroin", btw) is on of us. S/he laces sincerity with sarcasm so flawlessly that she as NO clue she's being mocked!
Well done, heron!
Amanda, I love heron's comments, too. That person is awesome.
I just got back from the "praise party" but I left after a few minutes. I was listening to my own music and couldn't figure out how to turn off the music in the room. And it sounds just like before. People standing around, her husband dancing and Candy singing to herself. oh, well.
This whole meez thing is strange. I went to the "forum" to figure some things out in the meez world, and the forum is all full of people who sound (and write) like they are 12 or so. The internet has so many better ways of chatting with people, I don't get why she chose that one.
Did Candy stop moderating comments? Here's her policy:
Here is my solution... I will publish comments that are true and tasteful.
But Clare is just so mean >;} Not tasteful at all!
Clare wrote:
But that lady in the first picture has much too fat a neck for such a hairstyle. Dreadful.
LOL
Kaira, I didn't realize you were Mrs. Butler. You have a lot of online names, it's hard to keep them straight!
Disclaimer: I have never been in one of Candy's "praise parties." I tried to set up a Meez, but there was something in my Firefox settings which refused to allow me to. Sob.
Given that I have my doubts about the efficacy of "the Sinners' Prayer" as a means of salvation, I flat out refuse to believe that these Meez salvations are genuine. I suspect this is some sort of "let's wind up the Christians" joke from another site.
And given that Candy is such a fervent sola KJV-ist, why does she push this Sinners' Prayer - it's not in the Bible, after all...
Yet another "salvation"? I guess she must be especially gifted by God to be able to save a soul every time she has an onl ine, virtual party.
Does she not see the fact that she discredits herself with these fallacies? If one is going to make stuff up, they should really make sure it is at least somewhat credible.
To me, these salvations she speaks of are nothing more than her imagination. She is so desperate to matter and count to someone that she imagines entire scenarios.
Sad. So very sad.
All I will say about the "salvation" is that I was there.
I will not comment to its validity.
I am very curious to know how she follows through with these salvations afterwards. You are always supposed to follow up with someone you lead to Christ otherwise it is just being worried about a large number of salvations rather than true heart felt salvations. I did leave a comment asking her so hopefully she will answer.
No fair, Amanda! We need details!!
REALLY! You CAN NOT leave us hanging like that. How did it happen?
MHM,
I do seem to have a few names, lol. My first blog was my family blog (this one) and I used "Kaira" as my profile name. Then I added another blog, The Notebook, to it for as a journal of sorts. At that point I changed my name to MMM. After a while I was sick of those blogs being connected and decided to close TN and start it up again on its own. I used Mrs. Butler as my ID on that one. I stayed with MMM because I just never thought to change it. I got sick of it - seeing MMM all the time when I have a name and my name wasn't a secret. I use my first name everywhere. So, I changed my blog back to my name, as it has always been in the past. So, really I only have Kaira and Mrs. Butler - except on my forum and then I go by the nickname my husband gave me.
"Elaine" came in the room (wearing a headscarf and a chinchillia on her shoulder) and asked about finding a church, as she hadn't been to one since she was quite small. Candy asked if she was saved. Elaine asked what "saved" meant". Candy explained, and asked Elaine if she'd like to become born again. Elaine said of course, and "repeated" the "Sinner's Prayer" after Candy. She said she got warm fuzzies afterwards. Candy advised her to get a KJV as soon as possible and to email her for more information.
It was all very heartwarming.
Again, I will not comment to its validity.
You are all intelligent individuals. I suspect you can put two and two together.
OK, would you all like to hear another irony???
While I was there (the Meez site eventually makes my computer freeze up, so I can't stay for hours and hours like I want, just so I can see a 'salvation') she and superhubby were extolling Rich Mullins. At one point, superhubby even said something along the lines of "he was certainly saved," or some such line.
I wonder what they would say if they knew that when he died....he was A CATHOLIC! Would they still listen to his music? Would they still think he was saved?
"I wonder what they would say if they knew that when he died....he was A CATHOLIC! Would they still listen to his music? Would they still think he was saved?"
Actually another one, yes she does believe once saved always saved...this is common for people who believe in the IFB teachings.
I doubt that they would think that he was saved.....the "out" on OSAS is that when someone does something which makes them 'unsaved' is that "they were never REALLY saved, because they clearly didn't MEAN it when they said it. If they REALLY meant it, then they would never have done 'X'."
Yes. OSAS, no matter what. If you lie, cheat, steal, you will not lose your salvation.
Step foot inside a Catholic church, though, or use a wax candle on your kid's birthday cake, and all bets are off.
I STILL don't understand how "apostasy" works in a religion where everyone is THEIR OWN authority.
Ok I have to ask. What is this whole wax candle thing? Can someone link me to it? I have never heard such lunacy.
WHOO HOO! We're back to Bible Study!
I CANNOT WAIT until we hit John Ch. 6. That chapter caused my conversion to Catholicism. I expect to see some serious Scripture twisting there.
It's in all of the tables of Roman Catholic inventions. Apparently the fact that Catholics use wax candles (as opposed to what?) is proof that we are secretly pagans.
I wish I were kidding.
Read through the posts about Catholics - it's also in that post by the priest she linked the other day...
Oh, that table is up on FruityG's page.
Here's a taste:
ROMAN CATHOLIC INVENTIONS
1. Presbyters first called priests by Lucian 2nd c.
2. Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian 3rd c.
3. Prayers for the dead A.D. 300
4. Making the sign of the cross A.D. 300
5. Wax candles A.D. 320
6. Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images A.D. 375
7. Mass became a daily ritual A.D. 394
8. Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term "Mother of God"
first applied to her by Council of Ephesus A.D. 431
9. Priests began to wear special clothing A.D. 500
10. Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing) A.D. 526
11. The doctrine of Purgatory by Gregory I A.D. 593
12. Latin used in worship A.D. 600
Aside from the wax candle thing, my personal favorite is "Latin used in worship, invented AD 600"
Because, the Romans prior to AD 600 had Mass in ... what? Spanish? English? Ebonics?
Especially since the Scriptures were translated INTO Latin by a Catholic in the 4th century, at the Pope's request, so people who could not read Hebrew could read the OT in the common tongue!
The wax candles thing blows my mind.
So was everyone who used wax candles bad, or just Catholics?
I've asked a couple times, VERY POLITELY, why the candles were so wrong, but of course it was never so much as published, much less answered.
Oh, and the Dake Study bible... that Candy referenced re: the hair brOIding.
He's definitely weird. I just went to the site Candy linked to. Dake's theology includes:
He believed that there was a gap of time between Genesis 1:1 and verse 2. In this period of time there existed the world that then was. (2 Peter 3:5-6) Adam, he says was to replenish the earth which had been previously filled and destroyed before his day. (Genesis 1:28)12
and, he doesn't believe in Once Saved Always Saved
Salvation according to Dake, is conditional upon man remaining faithful until the end. In response to unconditional eternal security, Dake says; "Eternal life is not an eternal possession until the end of a life of holiness, for one can make a failure before then and be lost just as Adam did in the beginning.
Remaining faithful, through life... sounds almost like "works" to me. It's a very Catholic view!
I wonder why the heck she uses that Bible, when she says he doesn't believe in the Trinity and interprets the ENTIRE NT differently than she does?
Here's the thing... Catholics didn't invent candles in the 4th century!
The Jews used candlesticks (1 Chron. 28:15), and I would assume they put candles in them. And Menorahs are distinctly Jewish, as well.
Seriously! Well by that same train of thought wedding rings originated from the ancient Egyptians who I can guarantee her were not baptist so does she abstain from using those also. Do you ever just want to give someone a good smack in the head and see if it knocks their brain back into thinking straight?
You know what's really funny, is there is a quote by Cardinal Newman that is constantly recycled as "proof" that Catholics are pagans (it's on Dr. Brewer's Scriptural Truths for Catholics, for example). Cardinal Newman lists wedding rings as ONE of the pagan customs that were adopted and sanctified by the church, but somehow that part is always cut out when the antiCatholics quote it.
See example here:
http://mtc.org/s_truths.html
It's just after the table of "inventions".
See actual quote here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=RN66gZdNnqoC&printsec=titlepage&dq=development+of+the+christian+religion+newman
at the bottom of p. 373
[b]9. Priests began to wear special clothing A.D. 500[/b]
And rabbis wore what in the OT when they went into the Holy of Holies?
Where are you people?!?!?!? I am bored out of my mind at work and I need a good laugh.
Cajun (Nicole, right?), I was wondering the same thing! Come on people, I need some entertainment!
yeah, well, I used it all up on my last two blog posts.
Sorry.
I was gonna say they probably wore modest dresses with boots.. but I didn't want to seem uglee LOL
k, how bout this. Candy's profile:
Candy's "about me" on her sidebar:
I keep a clean house, and healthy body.
I keep a healthy body??? What arrogance! Yes, there are things we can do to encourage continued good health, but she doesn't get ALL the credit!
Sometimes people get sick. It has nothing to do with them "not keeping a healthy body".
and, I'm currently wondering about this.
Prayer posted on Candy's blog, at the bottom of her Projects Progress Report.
Dear Lord, thank you for giving me such a wonderful home to be my husband's castle, my palace, and my children's imaginary "Little House on the Prairie house."
Yet, she loves the Prairie Muffin Manifesto, which decries Laura Ingalls Wilder's feminist tendencies.
From the PMM:
They do not idolize Laura Ingalls Wilder (Little House on the Prairie) or Louisa May Alcott (Little Women); while they may enjoy aspects of home life presented in their books, PMs understand that the latent humanism and feminism in these stories and in the lives of these women is not worthy of emulation.
Any thoughts? Why does she continually link and endorse things that she obviously doesn't believe (see my previous comment on Dake)? I think she's trying to give herself credibility among her 'target demographic'.
Good eye, MHM. When I read the prayer, I just found it kind of odd. I haven't see it, but I could see a blogger choosing to close every post with a prayer. But Candy has never done that. It just seemed out of place.
Here's another KJV question. She's talked about couple of times about the KJV "built in dictionary". At first I thought she meant there was a dictionary in back, but then last night in the Meez room, she said that that meant it was "intuitive" and if you didn't understand something, you should just keep reading b/c then it would become clear. WTF? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. A built-in, intuitive dictionary?
I do not think Candy is sure of what she believes in. I think that many times she goes with what she is told rather than doing constant research. She reads a book and it says something that goes along with her belief system so she takes it as her own. It is easier to be swayed by the wind that way. When I first started reading her blog I do no think she would agree with half the things she does now. I think she is being influenced by the blog world because she is not firm in her beliefs.
There is no built in "intuitive" dictionary in the KJV. Such a thing leads to easy misinterpretation. I read the KJV but have a KJV Bible Dictionary along with a book that tells me the Hebrew and Greek that was used for different words so I can best understand what is being said.
That makes sense, Cajun. Her idea of this "built in" dictionary just never made sense to me, and makes even less sense now.
The idea that if you don't understand something, you should just keep reading, seems like awful advice. If I don't understand what I just read, how am I supposed to understand the next part? It builds on itself.
I have noticed that her "currently in" book of bible on her sidebar jumps around so much.
One day it's Kings (which one, BTW?), the next day it's Acts. And I totally wasn't expecting today's post, since she hasn't "been in" the book of John for a few weeks.
I really doubt that she knows much about exegesis. I think she just looks around/googles things until she comes across something she believes or sounds good, then grabs onto that.
I really, REALLY don't think anyone just picked up a bible with no preconceived notions, no help, and no outside influence and came up with OSAS theology. In order to come to that, there is much more in-depth Scriptural analysis necessary.
She also clearly does not understand covenantial relationships as used in Biblical language. And her grasp on general world history seems rather meager; I could be wrong, on that.
Just for posterity's sake, I'll post my comment to Candy's John 5 post as I'm doubtful it will make it through her moderation process.
Your comment on vs 44 shows that you, too, believe in works: "if you really stand for Christ, then you WILL do..." "Doing" implies work. The difference between your stance and a Catholic's stance is simply a matter of semantics (and priorities). For example, Fundamentalists seem to place the "work" of modesty/femininity on a high pedestal while Catholics often seem to focus more on physical works (like helping one's neighbor or caring for the poor). In the end, it is all the same thing: WORKS. And we all, Fundamentalist Christians and Catholic Christians alike, WORK because we believe in the wonderful all-sufficient sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ and want to please and serve Him. As the Bible says, "Faith without works is dead."
I see Mother of Many/Amy is being forced (forced!) to point out what a hypocrite Elena is again.
http://trainachild.blogspot.com/
I totally don't get what her deal is. So, Elena is wrong to point out that she thinks Candy is wrong about things, because she can't point it out on Candy's blog. And because she does things that she doesn't like Candy doing, like publish testimonies from former whatever who converted to Catholicism, then that makes her a hypocrite.
Somehow, it became Amy's job to point out what a hypocrite Elena is all over the internet, because Elena is persecuting Candy. And what Candy and Amy is doing is just fine and dandy, only Elena is in the wrong. And of course, Amy would rather not get involved at all, but some unknown person asked her these questions, so instead of just saying she doesn't want to get involved, she's forced to point out what a hypocrite Elena is again.
The big irony being that the post that set Amy off at VTC wasn't even written by Elena! Okay, whatever . . .
luz, that has apparently been Amy's job from day one - to point out the error (or, perceived error) of everyone's ways. Something like the Internet police among Christian bloggers. Just one of the many reasons I wrote off anything she had to say a long time ago. Seldom does she have anything constructive or informative to say. Usually, she just goes on and on about the evils of others, begging people to give her links to her own inappropriate behavior when she is confronted with it.
She's had it "in" for Elena for quite some time. Given that, what she has to say about Elena, or VTC, or the Catholic Faith in general, is an in one ear and out the other scenario.
I personally think her beef with Elena - and the rest of VTC, although mostly Elena - is that the research and education behind their posts is equal to her own knowledge of her own studies. She is going for a masters in Theology if I remember correctly. I think she has a hard time with anyone without that masters, or that study, behind them being capable of holding their own with her. Since Elena and the rest can do just that, she's met her match and apparently isn't happy about it.
Ok..am I the only one who thinks the "new' bookcase that she 'mailordered" looks pathetic?? seems to me she could have gotten something halfway decent at Walmart.....the thing looks like it will fall apart at a moments notice...THAT was what she was all excited about?!
I wonder of MotherofMany realizes that the term "devil's advocate" is Catholic- in fact, it originated for the beatification process.
Of course, MoM quotes Laura Ingalls Wilder on her sidebar, so obviously she is a feminist humanist.
Ugliness aside, I wouldn't have the new bookcase in my house because it looks like a safety hazard, esp around young children. It looks like it could easily be knocked or pulled over. Even an older child might be tempted to grab onto one of the post thingies to help pull himself up off the floor which would cause the whole thing to topple.
Candy knows nothing of Biblical exigesis. She is, however, well-versed in the practice of eisegisis.
And there's your fifty-cent word of the day.
(Wish I could type....the deleted comment above was mine, only with typos)
I wonder of MotherofMany realizes that the term "devil's advocate" is Catholic- in fact, it originated for the beatification process.
There you go, she's trying to canonize Elena!
Well, I'm not deleting my typos. I actually *do* type faster than my brain can think, must be from transcribing so many television shows!
A comment from Candy's blog:
It's wonderful the way you use everything in your life to glorify God. Using your meez chat room for ministry is wonderful. People getting saved in there is God's way of smiling down on your availability to Him.
Yes, God decided to let those people go to heaven just to show what a wonderful person Candy is.
Does anyone remember the time that Candy wrote that "hubby" saved three people in one week. 'cause he gets all the credit, and not God. It's all a big ego trip with them.
I guess "soul winning" is a term that they didn't start, but it really seems appropriate for them. It's all a game that they are the best at.
Was anyone waiting, as I was, for wonderhubby to respond to the wife of the California state employee?
Where was the 'you are little better than a thief, living off of the monies confiscated from so-called taxpayers . Get thee off the public payroll and get real honorable work,' or some such?
Honestly, I can really see that comment coming from him, given his screeds on the issue. He basically said the same to the mother of the handicapped child.
It is also interesting that Wonderhubby neglects to even mention one of the reasons WIC, etc. exists:
it is an INVESTMENT in our future citizens and leaders, not just a handout. Making sure babies have milk, etc. is about helping them be healthy so they can learn, and later on not be disabled or impaired by preventable nutritional deficiencies, so they can be productive members of society.
Penny wise, pound foolish, he is.
Wow, that came out a little Yoda-esque. Obviously I'm spending too much time with 10 yo Star Wars fans (and 38 yo SW fans, too.)
If we made a Sweeping the Home Meez room, do you think she'd come?
OH!
If you build it, WE will come....
(as long as we are referencing great movie lines.....)
MileHi, I don't know if she would come, but we definitely would!!
FWIW, the Bible commentary on John is just a recycled post, like HMBU...
I don't know if Candy will recycle the John 6 commentary, but she did before. Here is VTC's "coverage" of it:
http://mdcalexatestblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/john-651-55-there-is-good-news-here.html
another one,
that was me that her hubby was talking to with the special needs child. Is it bad that everytime I think of that conversation I want to find him so I can just smack him a little? If he was not such a insensitive person I would say I should drop my daughter off to him for a few weeks and watch him change his tune about the need for therapy rather than just praying alone.
Ok all you people need to stop using such big words like eisegisis. My little brain can not compute that this early in the morning and I keep having to open google to define words. lol
CajunChic, every time I think of that conversation I want to smack "hubby" around a bit, and I don't have special needs kids. I don't think it is bad.
Anotherone, thanks for the new word!
Cajunchic,
That was nothing more than comments from a man 100% uneducated in the topic he was discussing. His words were likened (in my mind) to Micheal Savage's words on Autism and asthma. I am also the Mom of two children with special needs and pray for them daily. But God led me to the therapies we use on them and the wonderful doctors and therapists that see them. Why would He do that if we are only to pray and never follow Him to others for help? I commented to Erik and the reply was very unflattering for Erik.
We know her posts are recycled, but why don't the other women realize Candy is supposedly reading in Romans, yet is doing a bible study (if you call it that) about John?
If she's recycling posts, you can pretty much bet she is writing a monster right now and will claim she spit it out in a matter of mins and God led her to do it.
The bookshelf? Probably ordered from walmart online or ABC. It's not very sturdy looking.
For a perfect example of what eisegisis is, take a look at her "John 6" post of today. (Of course it will probably be changed quickly...)
In her commentary, she makes the statement that Mary and Joseph are the adoptive parents of Jesus. While that is true of Joseph, in her overwhelming desire to contradict the clear reading of the passage to make it mean what she wants, she decides that Mary is an adoptive parent as well.
This is a clear contradiction of Scripture, which as even the heathens among us (that's a joke, people) know that Jesus was BORN of Mary.
Anotherone, interesting. I tend to ignore her "Bible Study" posts because they are really hard for me to read. I read the verses around the one that AnotherOne mentioned (and found her commentary on verse 42 hard to understand, I had to read it several times), and I don't understand why Candy says that Jesus is the adoptive son of Mary. As AnotherOne pointed out, even I know that Mary was the mother of Jesus. Maybe I don't understand enough, but could someone explain why she is interested in making Mary the "adoptive" mother of Jesus? Is it because of Catholics interest in Mary, and she wants to ... make that relationship less important? sorry if that is a totally ignorant question, but I am curious.
Is it because of Catholics interest in Mary, and she wants to ... make that relationship less important?
Yup, basically.
Thanks, Amanda!
Maybe I don't understand enough, but could someone explain why she is interested in making Mary the "adoptive" mother of Jesus? Is it because of Catholics interest in Mary, and she wants to ... make that relationship less important? sorry if that is a totally ignorant question, but I am curious.
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pretty much....what floors me is that many of these women practically idolize proverbs 31 woman( who isn't even a 'real' woman)..or other women of the Bible ..yet they throw Mary aside as if she was nothing special...The Mother of our Lord ....
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